unclevlad Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/world/middleeast/coronavirus-israel-schools-reopen.html?smid=tw-share Very sobering as we in North America proceed to reopening of our schools... The second paragraph is the key: Quote Confident it had beaten the coronavirus and desperate to reboot a devastated economy, the Israeli government invited the entire student body back in late May. NO. This is why I talk down Scottish Fox's optimism...mind, the data for the last several days is showing a nice decline in new cases, and that's a LOT better than it was, I completely agree...but that "beaten the coronavirus" is the issue. IT ISN'T BEATEN. It's held in check. This is crucial in the US with utterly haphazard policies, not even close to sufficient testing, and fundamentally no contact tracing support. I get that we can't remain in tight lockdown. We can loosen things...in principle. IF people abide by the recommendations from the experts. (Altho even then, if governments are waffling, that allows employers more room to waffle, which can be a big issue for employees.) I hope the numbers drop a lot. We all do. I don't think they will *stay* down, tho; we'll have another serious increase because too many people won't behave. Ragitsu, Lord Liaden, Old Man and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 Could call this the modified Ibrahimovich rule... From ABC News: Quote A soccer player who deliberately coughs close to another player or match official can be issued a red card. The International Football Association Board, the game’s lawmaker, updated its guidelines while the pandemic perseveres. A referee can only red card a player when they are certain the cough is intentional. A yellow card is also optional. The new rule falls under “using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures.” One possible silver lining to all of this is, MAYBE some aspects of civility get restored... OK, you can get off the floor and stop laughing now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, unclevlad said: Could call this the modified Ibrahimovich rule... From ABC News: One possible silver lining to all of this is, MAYBE some aspects of civility get restored... OK, you can get off the floor and stop laughing now.... It's not like soccer is a real sport CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 *kicks csyphrett in the groin* *gets red-carded* tkdguy, Cancer, csyphrett and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 4:59 PM, unclevlad said: Can the employer justify terminating the employee doing this? Not just on posts, unless it rises to hate speech or something similar. With evidence of violations of distancing orders, it'd be a great deal easier...but still isn't entirely clear-cut if it's not covered in existing employee policy. OTOH, your position is IMO entirely reasonable. And if it's widespread..."workforce incompatibility" becomes grounds to terminate the person. I'm in an at-will state, so he can be terminated for any reason my employer pleases except discrimination and a few other exemptions. I don't think things will come to a head though, as we've both been able to work productively from home for months, and only one of us would need to continue doing so to avoid problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 I think we know the answer.... Did Trump and Kushner ignore blue state COVID-19 testing as deaths spiked? Quoted in the piece: Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner's team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Anyone with a drop of sensitivity to conspiracy theories can also argue that Trump's been slow to react because the virus has tended to avoid His People, even in the red states. Also seen a fair amount of economic analysis pointing out that the pandemic is stressing the big companies...but it's wiping out local businesses who don't have the resources to stay the course. Which, of course, means the big companies will be poised to expand their grasp once things start settling. Ragitsu, Tom Cowan and TrickstaPriest 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 5 hours ago, csyphrett said: It's not like soccer is a real sport CES I was supposed to say that, but considering the next post... TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Cygnia said: *kicks csyphrett in the groin* *gets red-carded* Harsh, Swan Girl. Harsh. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Tangent: everybody accuses soccer players of overreacting to have their legs clip, but it's not a very convincing argument. A footballer's legs are his breadwinners. They are what feeds his family. and getting a pair of hard cleats caught in your legs, knees, or higher HURTS LIKE HELL. Players go through their opponents' legs on challenges and attempts to deflect the ball all the time, and it happens often, but if you hurt your leg badly you can;t play or help your team win. The remarkable thing is not how quickly they can get up but that they can get up at all. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Badger said: I was supposed to say that, but considering the next post... I know right CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Michael Hopcroft said: Tangent: everybody accuses soccer players of overreacting to have their legs clip, but it's not a very convincing argument. A footballer's legs are his breadwinners. They are what feeds his family. and getting a pair of hard cleats caught in your legs, knees, or higher HURTS LIKE HELL. Players go through their opponents' legs on challenges and attempts to deflect the ball all the time, and it happens often, but if you hurt your leg badly you can;t play or help your team win. The remarkable thing is not how quickly they can get up but that they can get up at all. It's the same thing with any sport. They get paid so much. They are going to have out of pocket expenses for fixing knees and shoulders. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 The reason why Rugby League is a different sport from Rugby (Rugby Union) is precisely because of the problem of injuries. Back in the day, Rugby was dominated by wealthy "gentlemen" for whom the cost of injuries wasn't an issue. When working class players were injured, the financial impact could be catastrophic. When the working class players wanted to be insured against injury, the "gentlemen" got all bent out of shape about such "professionalism" contaminating the purity of their game. So the working class clubs in the north of England split, and formed their own competition. Over time the rules by which the two groups played diverged. Not so far that the skills used in one don't apply to the other, but the differences are noticeable. Rugby is now a professional game too. Both have amateur competitions, of course, and I'm pretty sure there is provision for insurance in these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Hey South Dakota - the Sturgis Bike Rally (which can draw up to 500,000 people) is coming your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Michael Hopcroft said: Tangent: everybody accuses soccer players of overreacting to have their legs clip, but it's not a very convincing argument. I think most of us soccer accusers are aiming at the scenarios when the soccer play doesn't even make contact with another player and then dives in a blatant attempt to draw a foul. Or takes a minimal impact and then throws themselves to the grass like a '70s era Saturday Night Kung Fu movie actor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Also, numbers continue to improve. Even here in Texas. Though I suspect the reason our death toll is so much lower than that of New York (We'd have 35k-40k instead of 7.3k) is that treatment options have improved so much. Mortality rates are down 70-85% from the initial wave depending on age bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 The First Data On Kids, COVID-19 And Race Is Here — And It's Not Good Quote Arguably the largest study on kids, COVID-19 and racial and socioeconomic disparities in the U.S., the research published in the journal Pediatrics on Wednesday revealed striking differences between children of color and white children. Researchers looked at 1,000 children and young adults ages 0 to 22 in the Washington, D.C., area who were brought to a drive-through COVID-19 testing site in the spring with relatively mild symptoms. Overall, roughly 20% of the children tested positive. But just about 7% of white children tested positive, whereas 30% of Black children and more than 45% of Latinx children did. The median age of kids who tested positive was 11 years. The findings also suggest there are marked income-based disparities in COVID-19 infections among American children. Using national data to estimate median family income of the locations where each child in the study lived, the researchers concluded that less than 10% of children whose families were in the top income level tested positive. Nearly 40% of those in the bottom quartile tested positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Choctaw Indians bear brunt of virus outbreak in Mississippi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Yes, daily cases have gotten a bit better for several days in a row. Which is great, but we're still massively higher than almost anyone else. One can hope that even the most pig-headed manage to learn eventually...but even that isn't proven yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, unclevlad said: One can hope that even the most pig-headed manage to learn eventually...but even that isn't proven yet. Yeah, about that... 😕 Trump still not grasping the severity of the pandemic, source tells CNN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Great Touring Bike Deals Coming To An Estate Sale Near You, Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Hopes To Welcome 250,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ternaugh said: Great Touring Bike Deals Coming To An Estate Sale Near You, Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Hopes To Welcome 250,000 See 7 posts up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, Cygnia said: Yeah, about that... 😕 Trump still not grasping the severity of the pandemic, source tells CNN I said pig, not jackass. The only surprising thing about that story is, people think it's news. From what we can see, it looks like a consistent pattern with Trump is he'll establish a view, and once he commits to it......forget it. It's a filter now. Information contrary to that view gets slammed by the filter; if it gets through at all, it's unrecognizable. He asserted it'd go away back in, what, April or so. Things did drop...a little. For a while. But never that much. Looking at WorldOMeters...the 7 day average for new cases bottomed out in early June...but at 21,000+. That's 1 per 16,000...not great at all but that might have been a rate we could handle. But then, of course, 2 weeks after that it was higher than the April peak. And 7 weeks later it's still insanely high. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 One other point. Trump's compass is the stock market. As long as it's doing well, things must be going well...and negative pushback is obviously just another baseless attack. So why change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Cygnia said: Yeah, about that... 😕 Trump still not grasping the severity of the pandemic, source tells CNN What's worse ... (and this is from Nature) ... not even wargames predicted how bad a dedicated f--k-up artist can mess things up in a pandemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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