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12 hours ago, Michael Hopcroft said:

 

Since I've been required to do on a plant-based diet by my dietician, which I am for the most part holding to, and since I'll be home for Thanksgiving, I'm seriously looking at getting a Tofurkey roast.

 

I'd advise you to avoid processed soy or any overly-processed stuff (like Quorn meat substitutes, though they taste better than the soy stuff). Plant-based is only worthwhile if you're not eating a bunch of processed stuff.

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I tested positive.

Fever broke last night. I'm going to be okay.

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Looks like the winter surge is happening.

 

Texas death rate is finally starting to climb and the R0 rate for the virus is over 1 (i.e. spreading) for 49 out of 50 states.

 

Though I don't know that we can fairly dump on leadership for this.  Virtually every country in Europe I checked out is seeing a substantial surge in cases as well.  So were several countries in the middle east and there are a variety of levels of shutdown across the mix of countries.

 

I think this virus is just so stupidly contagious that we can't hope to contain it.

 

Slow the spread?  Sure.  Stop it?  No.

 

Paris in particular is not receiving the new lockdown news well.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1354064/Emmanuel-Macron-chaos-France-second-lockdown-Paris-protest-riot-police-latest-news-vn

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3 hours ago, Pariah said:

Just when I think the stupid can't get any worse, it does.

 

Anti-mask protesters target state epidemiologist Dr. Angela Dunn

 

Look on the bright sides.

 

--The neighbors were great.

--There were only 10 of the idiots.  I've had a fairly macabre, gruesome related 'thought'...if 1 person in 10,000,000 is a homicidal maniac who could go Mandalay Bay shooter at any time...then there's over 30 such people in the US right now.  There will always be that fraction of a fraction of people who need to be sent through Karmic Recycling before they'll be able to even hear the whisper of a clue.

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New COVID mutation emerged in Europe in June and now accounts for 40-70% of new cases in European countries

 

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It is currently unclear whether this variant is spreading because of a transmission advantage of the virus or whether high incidence in Spain followed by dissemination through tourists is sufficient to explain the rapid rise in multiple countries.

 

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2 hours ago, ScottishFox said:

Looks like the winter surge is happening.

 

Texas death rate is finally starting to climb and the R0 rate for the virus is over 1 (i.e. spreading) for 49 out of 50 states.

 

Though I don't know that we can fairly dump on leadership for this.  Virtually every country in Europe I checked out is seeing a substantial surge in cases as well.  So were several countries in the middle east and there are a variety of levels of shutdown across the mix of countries.

 

I think this virus is just so stupidly contagious that we can't hope to contain it.

 

Slow the spread?  Sure.  Stop it?  No.

 

Paris in particular is not receiving the new lockdown news well.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1354064/Emmanuel-Macron-chaos-France-second-lockdown-Paris-protest-riot-police-latest-news-vn

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No, we can put this fairly on the leadership. I live in that country on your northern border, where almost all our leaders took this pandemic seriously early on. Our per capita case and death rates are far lower than in the US, and while we're also experiencing a second wave it's nowhere near what America is going through; and our leaders are reinstating more stringent measures. Europe's approach to the virus was piecemeal and varied greatly, so it's not surprising things are getting bad again for the continent as a whole. Other countries like South Korea brought the outbreak under control even sooner.

 

But the goal was never to stop the spread. It was always to slow the spread, to test as many people as possible, to identify carriers and contact trace. Until there's an effective vaccine or treatment, COVID won't be stopped. Our priority is to keep the health care system from being overwhelmed. The benefit of firmer coordinated action now is minimizing the resultant deaths and chronic illnesses. All of that is doable.

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You make a good point. One small quibble, though. I do believe that the women's hockey teams, at least in the Olympic Games, don't bodycheck. So it is possible, even if it's not what we might personally call hockey.

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1 hour ago, TrickstaPriest said:

I don't want to get any more political in this thread, I just am going to lambast our leadership for the coronavirus response and their behavior around it.

 

It's probably safer to avoid the Wrath of Dan to move said lambasting to the Political Discussion thread. You won't lack for sympathy or company there.

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16 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

It's probably safer to avoid the Wrath of Dan to move said lambasting to the Political Discussion thread. You won't lack for sympathy or company there.

 

Fair enough. 

 

It's pretty hard to say why our attempts to restrain the virus has failed without laying into our leadership, however.

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10 minutes ago, TrickstaPriest said:

It's pretty hard to say why our attempts to restrain the virus has failed without laying into our leadership, however.

 

Yes, that's why we (and especially I) keep veering into politics in this thread.

 

There was a point at which the pandemic could actually have been stopped, however.  Taiwan did it.  New Zealand did it.  Australia's done well.  Hawaii could have done it with another 2-3 weeks of lockdown, which would have allowed at least the local economy there to spin back up.  At this point the pandemic can't be stopped, it's just a matter of whether hundreds of thousands die from it, or millions.

 

Meanwhile, France and Belgium have gone back into lockdown, and the UK probably will shortly.

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1 hour ago, Old Man said:

 

Yes, that's why we (and especially I) keep veering into politics in this thread.

 

There was a point at which the pandemic could actually have been stopped, however.  Taiwan did it.  New Zealand did it.  Australia's done well.  Hawaii could have done it with another 2-3 weeks of lockdown, which would have allowed at least the local economy there to spin back up.  At this point the pandemic can't be stopped, it's just a matter of whether hundreds of thousands die from it, or millions.

 

Meanwhile, France and Belgium have gone back into lockdown, and the UK probably will shortly.

 

I find it interesting that all your examples of success, or potential success, are islands or an island continent. While not a crucial factor, it must be easier to keep the virus from breaching your castle when you have one helluva moat. ;)

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26 minutes ago, Old Man said:

Worldometers credits the US with 101,461 new cases on 10/30/2020.  Happy Halloween!

 

Idaho is so overrun they're shipping covid patients to hospitals in Spokane and Seattle.

 

I was listening to local AM talk radio a while back during a previous spike as they were making fun of hospitals in the state which were being overrun by coronavirus.

 

There was one hospital which had been reported in the national news the previous day because their critical care unit was at something like 121% capacity (I don't remember the exact percentage but something like that). That wasn't the only hospital mentioned in the news story being at or over peak capacity but the only one where they mentioned a percentage.

 

The guest was talking to the host and telling the audience that he'd checked and that the hospital only had 9 critical beds to start off with so being THAT over-burdened meant that they were only talking about maybe 21 people.

 

He and the host were both chuckling over that piece of coronavirus hysteria...while ignoring the fact that the rural hospital was within easy driving distance of a major city and within a 300-400 mile radius of dozens of other hospitals.

 

In normal times, a hospital would never become overrun because they load up patients into an ambulance and transfer them to one of the other hospitals.

 

For that hospital to be THAT over-burdened implies that each and every other hospital within that radius is full as well. (I've had family members who've had to be loaded into ambulances over the years and sent off to God knows where to find either empty hospital beds or doctors who were specialists in particular surgeries. So I know for a fact that they load up patients when they don't even know whether the patient will survive the ambulance trip and send them off over huge distances between one hospital and the next.)

 

Ha, ha, ha...it's only 21 people who need critical care. Let's laugh it up over covid hysteria.

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