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Here I would say you are wrong as 4th ed made all the rules the same just and gave power levels During 5th ed we got Dark Champions and the Ultimate Skill to add more gun porn/weapons and more crunch to skills "analysis paralysis" is gone when you set the power level and the genre pretty much gives you that you are way over thinking this more that is needed is a checklist of what people want to play something the GM hands out and everybody marks what they want GM tallies up what the players want and goes from there

then you are looking at a 600+ page book that only a 1/3 of it will be for the players Look at MHI a 60$ book that has everything you need for an MHI setting and rules, but has small amounts of setting and background in 304 pages for a book series that is now 10 or so books and was 5 when it came out the Champions setting book has all the dials set and the villain books are the filler there will always be players and GM's who want to build there own pretty much every GM I have played with over the past 34 yrs has made the universe theirs using some, not even a majority of the Champions universe the first dial everybody sets is what genre do they want to play setting what power level is next these are pretty simple dials to set DnD just sets you to start at 1st level and you work up from there Hero system is a medium to high crunch system for me I had 10 yrs of DnD, Traveller, RuneQuest under my belt before Champions in 1985 I don't expect this to be a first RPG for a group unless 1 has played before for a little bit Basic Hero I could see being a beginner game(limit how many advantages and disadvantages to 2(2xa, 2xd 1xa-1xd, etc) But these are GM setting dials

HD is not needed I love it and use it for all my characters, but if I didn 't have it I would just write them up on a character sheet I designed back in the 80's and photocopied as for templates the one I use most was done by RJM and really works well for me as an RTF for any genre I play in, when I need a hard copy

1 the 4th ed Hero system book book did it in 256 pages but it lacked examples that the 6th ed books had in spades the Basic Rule Book(in effect 5th ed Sidekick) covered 90% of everything and for most beginning played is fine to learn over a weekend 2 The complete books would be around 600 pages total in 1 book if you added the likes of the Fantasy Hero or Champions there is plenty in the free downloads area or these and forums of this website and plenty of others for starting a campaign or you can read various books to get an idea for 1(wild cards, Ex-Heroes, LotR, MHI, or any other game they might have played) 3 size of the book will have a say in this are we talking people who have played RPGs before or totally new to RPGs?(totally new to RPGs might need a hand at guidance) what you are really asking is how lazy and poor are these new people to Hero or do they have a clue as to what they are getting in 4 is a GM problem, the lack of having Hero designer, a computer or any combo of these 5 pretty sure there is a lexicon for Hero shorthand/ slang in the books 6 DOJ supports CC, and CC coming out has been the format they have been using Steve Long uses the big blue and yellow books when answering questions on his part of the forum 5th ed questions are answered by who ever speaks up in these forums CN hopefully will be supported by it's author and those that use that system as there is only 1 person running DOJ now, new money is probably needed to do any new books(I would love to see new or updated 3rd or 4th ed books like Pirates,Mythic Egypt,Vikings,Horror Hero... done) Yep a bit of a mess Complete for me is just the rules and a few examples(Starburst,Randle Irons,etc) CC,FHC do this for me as I'm really just a PC not a GM and the added stuff is wasted(I do buy villain, setting, and gear books for my collection and for examples to point to GMs what Hero say are legal to them adding settings may be something they may or may not need or want(so why make the book huge if you don't want that?) spreading things out adds content for those who want it and makes the cost spread out Has anybody put out a COMPLETE game and setting in 1 book that was at least medium crunch? and IF they did how long did they last w/o support (we are saying COMPLETE) putting all the info for 1 setting in 1 book makes it a 1 off for the producer and no future profit

for me 4th ed Hero system rule is a complete game book just pick a genre and set the dials

"I'll do my AAR when we get back, I do not need that much sleep" when she gets seated GC will turn back to her last form

when GC gets back to van she will muse to the team "He wanted to go back to prison" "Foxbat surrendering to us so easily is a kick in the teeth to Butz" "Is there any History between Butz and Foxbat?"

thank you and for that I will send you an 8x10 copy of our selfie

GC will take a selfie with him ,then write To FOXBAT from GC as MM GC will doodle an MM face and hand it to him, and see if he goes for his gun or surrenders "now hands up and it won't hurt"

"Could you turn so I have a surface(your back) to write on?"

"Nothing like "to Foxbat, my biggest fan" or something? "and what you like me to sign"

GC will step out of the van and walk with that MM strut towards Foxbat once GC arrives in a MM voice she will ask "So Mr Foxbat, how do you want me to make this out to you?"

GC is waiting for her call in the van

"yes, give me a minute" GC will shift back to normal sight it takes her about a minute to shape shift sorry some how my Hero forums notifcations where getting sent to spam

maybe someone else is in the driver's seat concerning Foxbat if he is acting wierd

Just trying to figure out where foxbat is first and as a flashbang was just used I figure I'd switch to radar and be immune to flashbangs

Ghost Cat will exit the van and switch to radar(normal vision is locked out)and scan the area and wait the rest of her move Perception 13-

there are different levels of villainy to deal with supers are the top level, and Butz is fearful to loose top dog status

He is afraid we will make him unneeded

No, do not address it these are just different character builds if the player feels that they should do as much damage as the other ,then maybe a rebuild is in order also look at damage over time a speed 4 character only does (move thru velocity is 60m = +10d6(35pts of damage) and a -6 to ocv [4 hits very unlikely but does 35x4= 140 points on average a speed 8 character only does (move thru velocity is 30m = + 5d6(17.5 pts of damage) and a -3 to ocv [8 hits unlikely, but does also 17.5 x7 140 points on average the bell curve is going to kill the speed 4 character if both have the same OCV vs a targets same DCV target has a def of 25 both speed 8 and 4 do 8d6 hand to hand(average 28 pts of damage) so if both have final OCV of 10 before the move throu vs a target with a 8 DCV here are the percentages speed 8 has a final ocv of 7 and will hit dcv 8 around 50% of the time (so in a turn speed 8 does on average 45.5 (20.5 get through to do damage) (20.5 x 8)/2=82 pts of damage on the target)) speed 4 has a final ocv of 4 and will hit dcv 8 around 16.2% of the time (so in turn speed 4 does on average 63 pts(38 get through to do damage)(38 x 4)/6=25 pts of damage on the target)) of course Move bys will have the speed 4 do more damage as the ocv and dcv mods are the same it will come down to who chooses the correct maneuver the speed 8 is better off using move thru (only a 12.5% difference) vs the speed 4 using move by hitting 62% of the time and the move by have the speed 4 doing + 6d6(21pts)+ 28=49 pts per hit 49-25=24 after def (24 x 4)/1.6=60 pts per turn the speed 8 is getting +3d6(10.5 pts)+ 28 =38.5 pts per hit 38.5-25= 13.5after def (13.5x 8)/1.6= 67.5 per turn damage over the course of a turn has the speed 8 only up by 2d6 on average over the speed 4

"I'm ready to go"

"So do we stand back and wait for the captain to get frustrated or we go forward with as supers plan of attack? "Me posing as Micky Mouse or not and ferreting out Foxbat on our own?"

"Why not give him Micky" "I can fake it really good ,watch" GC will change when out of sight of the cameras "getting an autograph personalaized for him may throw him off long enough for us the get him and free Doreen"

"she knows your secret Id" " so a better chance of surprise as he would assume police maybe?"

"Check your phone, he would need a meeting place" "or email"