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So the first round of the draft is done. Here are the first 12 superheros in the order they were drafted: 1) Thanos 2) The Martian Manhunter 3) Mister Majestic 4) Sentry 5) Dr. Strange 6) Spawn 7) Wonder Woman 8) Raiden 9) Superman 10) Thor 11) Apocalypse 12) Gorr I'm number 9 in the draft. Dr. Doom was my actual top pick, but when it was my turn and he was still undrafted, I couldn't make myself NOT pick Superman. I'll post the teams when they're finalized.

I'm number 9 in the draft out of 12. I'll post the teams when they're finalized.

Forgot: Ra's al Ghul Talia al Ghul Luke Cage Iron Fist Judge Dredd is a good choice, better than many non-super powered options. Also the Terry McGinnes Batman

OK, so here's my current prioritized list. I'd love for you guys to look it over and see, first, if there are any glaring omitions. Then if anyone is grossly out of place. Remember, the idea is that each team of five will fight in a sort of "Royal Rumble," just a straight up fight with each hero/villain in their "standard" version and load out. As understood by CASUAL fans. Here goes: 001. Dr. Doom 002. Superman 003. Hulk 004. Silver Surfer 005. Doomsday 006. Juggernaught 007. Flash Barry Allen 008. Flash Wally West 009. Reverse Flash 010. Red Hulk 011. Thor 012. Beta Ray Bill 013. Wonder Woman 014. Magneto 015. Batman 016. SHAZAM Captain Marvel 017. Black Adam 018. Doc Samson 019. Green Lantern Hal Jordan 020. Sinestro 021. Green Lantern Kyle Rayner 022. Green Lantern Jon Stewart 023. Green Lantern Guy Gardner 024. Star Saphire 025. Mon El 026. Bizarro Superman 027. Green Lantern Kilowag 028. Captain Atom 029. Major Force 030. Lobo 031. Ultron 032. Doctor Strange 033. Doctor Fate 034. She-Hulk 035. Power Girl 036. Super Girl 037. The Martian Manhunter 038. Wolverine 039. Jean Grey 040 Emma Frost 041. Cyborg 042. Mister Miracle 043. General Zod 044. The Abomination 045. Big Barda 046. Mongul 047. Validus 048. Orion 049. Hercules 050. Iron Man 051. War Machine 052. Namor 053. Human Torch 054. Black Bolt 055. Syndrome 056. The Vision 057. The Thing 058. Spawn 059. Venom 060 Carnage 061. Green Goblin 062. Colossus 063. Professor X 064. Groot 065. Titanium Man 067. Spiderman Peter Parker 068. Captain America 069. Deadpool 070. Deathstroke 071 Wonder Man 072. Hellboy 073. Loki 074. Mr. Incredable 075. Solomon Grundy 076. Iceman 077. Frozone 078. Captain Cold 079. Mr. Freeze 080. Killer Frost 081. Starfire 082. Raven 083. The Punisher 084. Green Goblin 085. Hobgoblin 086. Deadshot 087. Zantana 088. Scarlet Witch 089. Electra 090. Taskmaster 091. Red Tornado 092. Crimsion Dynamo 093. Spiderman Miles Morales 094. Spiderman Ben Reilly 095. Cable 096. Sabertooth 097. Nightwing 098. Hawkeye 099. Green Arrow 100. Blue Beatle 101. Booster Gold 102. Hank Pym 103. The Wasp 104. Black Bat Casandra Cain 105. Batgirl Barbera Gordon 106. Black Widow 107. Spider Gwen 108. Banshee 109. Black Canary 110. Rocket Racoon 111. Daredevil 112. Red Robin Tim Drake 113. Red Hood Jason Todd 114. Robin Damian Wayne 115. Artemis 116. US Agent 117. Cyclops 118. Nightcrawler 119. Beast Boy 120. The Huntress 121. Batwoman 122. The Comedian 123. Night Owl 124. Rorschach 125. Silk Spector 126. The Atom 127. Harley Quinn 128. Kitty Pryde 129. Jubilee 130. Dazzler 131. Spoiler 132. Robin Carrie Kelley

Oooo, forgot Hellboy and Spawn.

I forgot about Beta Ray Bill. It's funny, until I made my list I never thought there would be someone I wanted on my team LESS than Dazzler. lol.

Let's say Bronze Age Iron Man.

Thanks for the additions. I'll make up a revised list, then we can discuss draft priority. Question - Who should rank higher in the draft - Classic Iron Man or Green Lantern of Earth? And that raises the question of WHICH Green Lantern of Earth. lol

"What about a Green Lantern ?" I thought about it, and quickly realized that i could probably do an entire team using ONLY Green Lanterns.

Thanks guys. It dawned on me that my list has around 20 names, and there will be 20 teams. It's likely that they will be all gone in the first round. I'm thinking that to fill out 20 teams then by the last round people will be drafting Howard the Duck.

I'm tacking Colossus and The Thing to the bottom of the list. They're not Superman/Hulk tier in strength, but I'm running out of ideas. Captain Atom too? Cyborg? I'm more a Marvel guy than a DC guy...

So another forum that I am an active member of is doing a Super Hero Team Draft. Team owners go through a draft process, picking super heroes/villains for their team. After the teams are finalized then teams will face off in a bracket format, and all the owners will vote on the likely outcome of a battle between team A vs Team X. Here are the rules: Teams size has been changed to five-man teams. I'm looking for help creating a prioritized Draft List of non-God-tier Superman & Hulk clones, so that when my draft rolls around I know who the best undrafted choice will be. Since, like most things in comics, most of the outcome will be a popularity contest then I want to limit my list to Marvel & DC heroes & villains. So while a particular Image Comics character might actually be more powerful, he might not be well known enough to carry the vote. So far all I have is: Dr. Doom (not a Superman or Hulk clone but he brings a lot of power to the table) Superman Hulk Silver Surfer Doomsday Juggernaught Flash Barry Allen (again not a Superman or Hulk clone, but when properly written he wipes the floor with any super team all by himself) Flash Wally West Reverse Flash Red Hulk Thor Wonder Woman SHAZAM Captain Marvel Black Adam Ultron (although he's kind of a joke, since he's suppose to be unstoppable but he's been defeated SO MANY TIMES) She-Hulk Super Girl Power Girl General Zod The Abomination That's 19. I'd like to swell my list to at least 30. Better 50. Sentry would probably be considered God-tier, so he's out. Same with Molecule Man. Black Bolt had power, but I don't think he had to durability to stand and fight Guardian is the Marvel universe Superman clone, but he's written with an huge innate weakness, plus I don't think he's popular enough to will a fan face off. Unless I totally can't get my list to 30 then I'm passing on guys like Batman and Captain America. They're popular, but for the raw power I'm looking for they don't measure up. No, Batman does NOT get Two Weeks Prep Time (tm) And before anyone can say it, No Squirrel Girl

Yes. Fifth Revised EDition. Happy Thanksgiving Hero family.

Reminds me of Dee Dee & Cee Cee from Batman Beyond. Always wanted to build a character like that - Low level martial arts & utility powers, but then maxed out Teamwork skill and every attack is a Combined Attack. Plus it's hinted that their grandmother is Harley Quinn.

My IRL gaming group still uses 5th because they fear change, and are too cheap to buy new books. And, honestly, it still works great for everything. After trying 6th I very much prefer it.

Plenty of people still use 5th. It feels like old school Champions. Although it only took my one game with 6th for me to REALLY like it. I find it normalizes DEX vs CV, something that older versions of Champions struggled with.

Quasar - "Mind Maiden! AGAIN? This makes... Oh God! Get back to headquarters before anyone ELSE sees you..." Shadowhunter - "PRIMUS has Psy Ops of their own who will confirm your story after a deep mind scan. So come with me to PRIMUS headquarters right now. OR I can break every bone on the left half of you body. Your call. I'm not picky." Mystica - "Punch-punch, Bang-bang heroes will be busy tonight. So will Mystica. New artifact to analyse."

Multiform leaves a bad taste in my mouth, since I've seen too many players abuse it to build Everything Man - One form is a wealthy bachelor socialite, one is a batman-seque stealthy martial artist, one is a flying power projector, one is a super strong invulnerable brick, etc, etc, etc. In my head it's poor form for one PC to try to be Everything Man because it makes the other PCs redundant and unnecessary. If the team already has a stealthy martial artist or a trick arrow power projector on it, then those players have laid their claim on that shtick. There are enough super hero tropes out there that you can be something ELSE and not step on another PC. Also, IMO you spend your 400 points to build the hero you see in your head, NOT the hero you see on the pages of your favorite comic. Because to build a hero that can do EVERYTHING that, say, Daredevil or Wolverine or WHOEVER has EVER been shown to be able to do, at the level of competency that the comics portrays them to be at, you're looking at 1000+ points. But to answer your question then, yeah, you could use Multiform and have one form be Tony Stark, wealthy bachelor socialite industrialist who just HAPPENS to have been trained in stealth & hand-to-hand by Captain America, and then have other forms be his Hulkbuster armor, Stealth armor, Orbital armor, Deep Sea armor, etc. And one for his Every Day armor. But now we're back to Everything Man.

Yeah, my character Mystica is a Russian mage raised by her grandmother, and her origin story strongly hints that her grandmother was the Archmage's lover.

My old campaign had to outlaw Aid to stats as it got REALLY broken really fast.

Well if you're not gonna take Besty then I'm totally stealing her for myself.

Then her hero name HAS to be Besty. And THAT is her super power, AND her catch phrase - "Besty is The BEST!!!" 18 DEX & 18 INT, a TON of skills, decent CV, Martial Arts, a few gadgets (Flash Defense Sight Group, Life Support Extended Breathing, Radio Send & Receive), a multipower with various powers & attacks (Flash, Entangle, NND, APED, AOE EB, AOE Flash, AOE Entangle, AOE NND, Swinging, Gliding, AOE Darkness "Smoke Bomb", that should do it), and finally Four Over All Levels! In combat the Over All Levels will give her +2 to OCV & +2 to DCV, which will make her REALLY formidable. I'd say ratchet her DCs down by 2-3 so she doesn't overshadow the other charters, because with Martial Arts and those skill levels she will NEVER get hit. Also, the FYB powers in the multipower will give her plenty of opportunity to debuff bad guys, but let Star Girl be the one to ACTUALLY finish them off. After all, "Star Girl is the Star. But Besty is the BEST!" And +4 to any skill roll or Perception check will make her really formidable when she's out of combat. She'll be the Velma to Star Girl's Daphne.

Her name is Frenemy. She has Ego-based powers rooted in her deep-seated jealousy of Star Girl, and she will one day become Star Girl's archvillain nemesis. Either that, or stick with Besty and make her a classic side-kick, with a ton of skills, gadgets that give her Flash & Entangles, but no actual attack powers.

This should give you some idea:

thanks ot this thread I am re-reading West Pacific Supers. I also find myself increasingly ticked off that the author hasn't written a 3rd volume.