Hyper-Man

Even if what you are trying was legal the active cost should be much much higher because natural darkness would also be inherent and have a massive area of effect. The real problem though is WHO to target per the quote above. and remember dispel is all or nothing.

I would probably try a Nemesis Kid theme (from Legion of Superheroes). Kind of the antithesis of the Parasite or Rogue. He can always have just the right powers to defeat one opponent. 

My bad. It is working properly.

My eyes are playing tricks on me. I must have been looking at the body output by mistake.

Sorry. Nice app.

Edited due to bad eyesight.

The fact that you have been using a house rule for 30 years doesn't change RAW. 

If you really believe I'm wrong then prove it by asking Steve Long in the rules forum.

The relevant 5er page numbers to look at are 100, 250 and 292.

No.

Sticking to the character does NOT automatically become sticking to the focus for free.

29 minutes ago, Ninja-Bear said:

Oh and Hyper man, I can only go to Fred for more clairity so 6th may supersede it. In Fred pg 250 under Mobile adavantage it states “Ordinarily a Constant Area-effecting Power cannot move established, unless it has the No Range Limitation so it sticks to the character generating it and moves as he moves. (See pg 101).”paraphrase the part about UAA to make it stick to a target so when he moves the AOE moves with him. Then he talks about how sometimes you want to move a constant power after it’s placed, that’s what Mobile is for.

Yep that's pretty much the same rule as 6e. No mention about Foci there so I suggest rereading those rules too.

The key to your faulty logic is the word 'attach'. Only the UAA Advantage allows a AOE to be attached to a person or object.

Also, the Focus Limitation affects the source of a power only, not the target. If I still had access to a laptop I would quote the specific rule but I only have a smartphone for now. See the relevant rules quotes above.

If an AOE Images Power wth No Range was built through a Focus, tossing the Focus away would just end the effect.  Think GL Ring.  And the rings are universal foci so someone else could pick it up but they would have to restart the light effect. 

If there are still folks who don't believe me and think that the Focus rules replace the need for Mobile or UAA then I suggest asking Steve Long for clarification.

On 3/14/2017 at 10:18 PM, Cantriped said:

While its true Light goes on any given object, and therefore it could technically be represented with a Focus of Opportunity. The Spell normally allows you to force objects to shine, including objects carried/owned/bought by your enemies, and that strikes me as being outside the bounds of what Foci of Opportunity were intended to be used for. Foci of Opportunity are generally intended to be Personal, because it typically represents an ability to use a mundane object in an unintended/impossible way. Besides that, aren't there clarifications in the 6th edition core rulebooks specifically discouraging the use of the Universal Foci rules to gain the benefits of Usable By Others (and by proxy Usable As Attack) without paying for it on powers intended to be used on others?

 

CC/FHC doesn't actually say anything of the sort... but I know I've read such somewhere. Regardless it seems a highly abusive to expect to gain the benefits of a +1 1/2 Advantage from taking a -1/2 limitation.

 

Also that brings up the point that my previous build can be used on People, not just objects. Since pretty much every enemy is going to have some object or another which can be targeted, Only On Objects is likely only a -1/2 Limitation. If you apply Only On Objects to Light; change cost to 26 points, or 19 points with casting limitations.

This was a response from a year ago to this:

   On 3/14/2017 at 9:48 PM, Christopher Taylor said: 

Light goes on a focus, just build it as an OIF (useful nearby focus) and now you don't have to worry about range or anything.  Its like giving someone your flashlight; they control the focus, they control the power.

Wow.

That's a neat house rule.

You ignore the main points of my first two posts and get hung up on the afterthought third added only to try and help you see your folly.

And I'm still waiting to see a page number cite in support of your focus interpretation. Bet you can't find one because it doesn't exist.

More on foci and the way they operate...

Why would buying a 'flamethrower effect' through a focus provide any additional free effect that someone like the Human Torch has to PAY FOR?

Focus by itself should never provide a benefit beyond the base powers without the focus limitation. A Universal focus is the only exception and the book notes that it shouldn't be used as a cheap UBO workaround. 

No.

I strongly recommended that you reread the first paragraph of the description for Mobile Advantage on 6e1 page 324. 

3 legal methods are described and taking No Range is one of them.

1 hour ago, Christopher R Taylor said:

I mean, I buy a flame thrower, I can walk around with that cone blazing all over the place, I don't have to buy "mobile" on the cone because its in the focus, and the power goes where the focus goes.  Literally nobody has ever bought the device requiring mobile because it doesn't need mobile.

 

That's how the limitation works.  The reason its balanced is that anyone can use the focus, even enemies against me.  And anyone can remove it to stop me from using it, break it, etc.

You're confusing the effect with the origin of the effect. The flamethrower has No Range and probably Hole in the middle. Technically the AOE is still centered on the person holding the flamethrower and therefore moves with them including turning the facing of the cone of effect.

A flashlight would be similar.  Hanging a lamp from a UAV would be the Mobile Advantage.

Putting the light in the arrow IS using the UAA Advantage for attachment.  Unless you are talking mundane equipment in a heroic game in which case the argument for portable lights that don't screw up an arrows flight means guns are likely available as well and beg the question. Why carry a bow and arrows?

Got a page #?

If you really want to go the advantage approach you'll need to use EB/blast or RKA with a multipower as it's illegal to put any form of range on strength. Once you build the attacks then apply AOE Accurate 4m to automatically make the DCV of the target 3.

Why not just buy several PSLs vs Range. Check the rulebook to see if they can be used vs the other penalties. If not then just buy several CSLs as well.

Combining Obvious with Invisibility creates issues unless different sense groups are used for each.

You need to purchase IPE on the HA and STR per 5er p408.

On 3/2/2017 at 6:47 PM, Armitage said:

 

 

Area effects can only be moved if they have the Mobile Advantage, which requires an Attack action to move the effect a limited distance each Phase.

 

The Mobile Advantage (6E1 324) says "Ordinarily a Constant Area-affecting power cannot move once established, unless it has the No Range Limitation so that it "sticks to" the character generating it and moves as he moves, or the Usable As Attack Advantage so a character can "stick" it to a target and have it move as the target moves."

 

Usable As Attack says the same thing on 6E1 358.  "Usable As Attack allows a character to "attach" a Constant Power to a target and have that Power follow him as he moves."

 

That doesn't appear to have made it into Champions Complete or Fantasy Hero Complete.  They just say that a Constant Area Power can't be moved unless it has Mobile added.

From the first page of this thread.

On 2/27/2018 at 12:05 AM, Lucius said:

An enlightening discussion!

 

Lucius Alexander

 

The palindromedary accuses me of making light of it

Bad necromancy!

1 year old thread brought back to life.

However, Usable As Attack is the Advantage to use to attach an AOE power to a target.

OIF even if it's the of opportunity version is not going to impart the effects of the Mobile Advantage for free.