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Re: Building a "Superhuman Scanalyzer" ...and evidently his ability to carry and transport bears includes things merely named after bears as well...

Re: Normal Human 1= We do not know if the Super Soldier Serum + the Vita-Rays (People keep forgetting about these. They were at least as important as the SSS.) which caused Steve to grow his new body changed his DNA or his gamete producing body parts. Since the SSS stays in Steve's body and is constantly being renewed, Steve will always have SSS in his endocrine system, bloodstream, even his bone marrow, making sure that every cell produced for those functions is to Super Soldier standards. (Without the constant renewing supply of SSS in his body, Steve would have frozen to death instead of going into suspended animation in 1945.) But we have no idea what the SSS + vita-rays did to his DNA, testes, or sperm. His children could be like him before Project Rebirth. He could be =sterile= for all we know (Chemo and Radiation therapy are both known to have causing sterility as a risk factor.) IMHO, given the number of women he's been with over the years, and the lack of children from those multiple unions, my bet is that Steve Rogers was made sterile by Project Rebirth. 2= Project Rebirth did not change what a human being could =do=. It simply made a human being perform at the absolute theoretical peak of human performance. Steve's bones are still bone. His muscles are still muscle. With the exception of the regenerating supply of SSS in his body, every molecule and cell in his body is still recognizably human if examined. (This point has been made multiple times over the years in the primary source material.) This is not so of an alien, a mutant, The Hulk, Spiderman, The FF, etc. All of these examples have been shown to have non baseline human DNA.

Re: Normal Human Yep. That's all that I've been saying. But he =is= still intrinsically human. Unlike the FF or the X-Men or The Hulk or Spiderman or etc. Let alone demigods like The Silver Surfer or gods like Thor. We =will= evolve at some point to do what Cap can do. Without a major change to our genome, we are =never= evolving to do what those other examples can do. ...and that's the fundamental difference.

Re: Regneration and Starvation/Dehydration effects

Re: Captain American Build 350 pts Not quite. Although I stand partially corrected. First Peter tried going to toe to toe with Steve and was totally outclassed ("I've landed like one blow in the last 10 secs which he blocked with that shield while he's hit me like what, three times? I can't predict his combinations. He doesn't make combinations. It's all just one continuous move for him. He's forgotten more about hand to hand combat than I'm ever going to learn.") Peter then decides to use a different strategy ("I've got to attack from range. Use my superior agility and strength against him".) ..and then The Shield becomes a ranged attack problem ("...and then he throws It. The symbol of the whole freaking _country_ comes right at me...") that Peter (barely) dodges for awhile then manages to web to a wall thinking he's out maneuvered Steve... ...but Steve has set Peter up; smoothly transitioning from the use of The Shield as a ranged weapon to that of a distraction to allow him to close to HtH again. Steve then lands the by far hardest blow of the entire battle. Peter is dazed. ...and the "Iron Spider" suit attacks Steve almost on its own and scratches Steve's face because he doesn't have The Shield to block with at the moment. Both are doing a Post 12 REC at this point when Steve realizes a= He's needed elsewhere b= The "Iron Spider" suit is a big enough problem that he's unprepared for that he's going to have to up the force levels considerably if the fight continues. Steve breaks off the fight with Peter to go help the rescue/escape attempt in progress. Yep. But he did not keep it and turn it over to Tony Stark and S.H.I.E.L.D as he should have either. QED Peter did not think anyone had the right to take or keep Cap's shield from Cap.

Re: "revised" hit location chart? IMHO, you are being overly focused on a specific, particularly since a subset of the posters to this thread have spent considerable type trying to refute the idea that location 13 is the groin rather than the more nebulous "vitals'. But fine, I'll play by your rules. Trust me when I say that on any occasion I've been present no one finds it even the -slightest- bit funny to watch anyone, man or women, clutching themselves moaning on the ground in dry heaves for 5-10 minutes after being nailed in the groin. The initial hit only engenders humor when the consequences are omitted, ignored, or glossed over. There isn't anything funny about a grovelling animal sounding like it's about to die from sheer pain. Unless you are a sadist.

Re: "revised" hit location chart? Hyper-man, We're talking about whether both sexes can feel similiar amounts of blindingly incapacitating pain from a hit to approximately the same region of the body. It does not matter why. All I'm saying is that the evidence on the matter says unequivocally "yes". ...and I'm NOT taking a stand one way or the other as to whether the pain involved is a warning about "the body's reproductive capacity is in extreme danger". I am not a doctor. But I can't see how damage to that area is good for the working parts of =either= sex.

Re: Captain America Build 350 pts or You don't think The Incredible "I can lift puny mountain!" Hulk hits with as much force as a Tank round?!? The statements are not contradictory. Cap has been Knocked Back considerably without being damaged or hurt from hits taken by The Shield on occasion. Then he usually immediately gets back up and re-engages. As JmOz has correctly noted, if Cap has the opportunity to appropriately prepare for a hit, The Shield has been known to provide practically unlimited Knockback Resistance.

Re: Captain America Build 350 pts ...and part of that is modelling him as accurately as possible given the CP budget.

Re: "revised" hit location chart? You made the statement that people seeing other people horribly injured or made to feel intense pain would not be taken seriously and would be treated as merely fodder for jokes. I provided a refuting counter example.

Re: "revised" hit location chart?

Re: Captain America Build 350 pts A character "the fans are gonna go insane" in favor of is also called "a $large $repeating $revenue stream"... Canon has also shown plenty of ways to beat Steve. 1= Get him when he is not in Hero ID. Without the Armor or (especially!) The Shield, he is a lot more vulnerable. Sharon Carter killed him at point blank range with a pistol. 2= Get at him via threats that only superhuman/mutant physiology can handle. Steve gets smoke inhalation in burning buildings. Steve can't fly. Steve has to breathe. Even Steve's shield isn't going to protect him from Knockback if an artillery shell or tank round or ... hits it. Steve can't survive having a skyscraper fall on him (-around- him due to a Luck roll possibly. But not -on- him). Etc. He's tough. But fundamentally he's human. 3= Get at him through innocents, loved ones, DNPCs, and other non-combat means. The Red Skull has shown himself to be an absolute master of this technique; even making the US government Steve's enemy at one point. 4= ...and then there's the ever present plot angst of being someone who literally does not belong or fit in the society he presently is in. No family. No surviving friends from his time period. No one who really understands him. A stranger in a strange land ~100 years after his birth.

Re: Captain America Build 350 pts Another quick thought about The Shield. When thrown by Steve, it's velocity is in the 120-240mph range. It's consistently been shown to be faster than an arrow fired by a bow.

Re: Captain American Build 350 pts As another poster has noted, they fought in Civil War. Steve could've won easily (he completely outpredicted every move Peter made and had always had counters in place for everything Peter tried. ...And =nothing= was getting through The Shield), but gave up the chance to pound Peter into paste to try and talk him into seeing the error of his ways. This resulted in Peter getting an opportunity to use the custom ranged attack built into his "Iron Spider" armor. The consequence of which was that Cap realized Peter's new costume was a tactical element he had not yet analyzed, which meant either upping the threat level to the point where Peter was likely to be seriously hurt, ...or retreating. Since Steve's goal was not hurting Peter, but rather convincing him that he was being misguided/misled, Steve used The Shield as a missile weapon to provide cover and retreated. ...and Peter managed to capture it with his webs. Only to leave it webbed to a wall for Steve to later find because he did not think he or anyone else had the right to keep The Shield from Steve. *Folks who think that raw physical superiority means that Spidey, or anyone else for that matter, could beat Cap HtH are forgetting that Cap has fought the likes of The Hulk, gods like Ares and Hercules, and robots like Ultron to a standstill when armed with The Shield. (In HERO terms, it's an ungodly Unbreakable Unique OIF VPP with Armor + Damage Reduction 75% + EB + Force Field + KAw/ max STUNx + RKAw/ max STUNx + MD/R Usable On Others + ... as I said NOTHING gets through The Shield) 1= Spidey can't cling to camera's or other small objects (he's dropped/lost cameras he was carrying for instance), so logical consistency says he should not be able to cling to The Shield either. 2= Spidey has not shown the ability to cling to objects being actively used. Let alone those being actively used against him. 3= NO ONE is ever faking out Cap in HtH. Feints just don't work against Steve. 4= Canonical material consistently shows that if you are strong enough to try and Grab/Throw Steve, he has the combat skills to redirect your grab into an attack by him. ("X" Grabs The Shield. Gets Haymakered two legged kick to the face/vitals/knees/whatever. "X" has included The Hulk and Ultron.) Or he justs let you Throw him and uses his absurd Acrobatics and Breakfall rolls.

Re: "revised" hit location chart?