Law Dog

Re: Beesting Allergy

And you know how the rules state that a disadvantage that doesn't come up in the game isn't really a disadvantage. Otherwise you could take your next Fantasy Hero character with "Fear of M-TV" or some other such nonsense.

If the player were insistant on taking the Bee Sting disadvantage, the character is going to get stung. I might even bee prone to introducing an NPC like Hivemaster from V&V or Swarm from the 80's Spider-Friends cartoon.

Originally posted by Toadmaster

Man what a rip off, I've been playing RPG's for over 20 years and I've spent tons of money on gaming stuff but I'm still just sitting here waiting for a Coven of hottie druid chicks to take me in to "show me the power". Its bad when you can't even trust satan worshiping game developers.

Now imagine the Chick tract with Champions substituted for D&D.

"Bob, you're now a 400 point hero. I think it's now time you learned to really fight crime."

"You mean I'm going to get a uniform and superpowers?"

"Yes, you have the personality for it".

Two hours later, Bob is wearing his underware over his sweat pants and trying to stop jaywalkers, all of whom are pummeling the cr@p out him. Then the police haul his idiot self in and he winds up being held 72 hours for psychological evaluation, just like any little fruit loop that tried to cast D&D spells in real life.

The XP from individual stabbing sounds almost like something out of the Arduin Grimoire.

Heh heh, Love the % Liar on each of the monster descriptions.

Originally posted by Kristopher

And the entire thing might have been avoided if you had posted this tidbit back at the beginning!

 

Which tells me that this wasn't about the subject at hand, but rather an excuse for an arguement.

On top of the tidbit being up for debate itself. It's the Missouri Argument. Unless it's shown, it's not canon. It's the equivalent of Joe GM saying his adventures take place in the Marvel Universe. For his game, yes it does, for the rest of the world, no it doesn't.

Originally posted by Twilight

*bzzt* Sorry that is incorrect, your test is faulty and both you and Metaphysician end up in the corner wearing dunce caps.

 

The fact that they have been shown to be in the same universe and that both universes share continuity [The Justice League team-up came after the JL episode with Brainiac and Warworld for example and his teamup with Superman shows direct continuity with the episode of the Superman: Animated Series featuring the Darla robot] proves Static and the Justice League are in the same Animated continuity.

 

It's that simple.

Sorry, wrong.

Unless you want Wendy, Marvin and Wonder Dog to show-up and tell the JLA they're moving back in.

Bwahahahaha!

Originally posted by Twilight

That's ridiculous. They HAVE already done that by having Static team with the Justice League and with his numerous teamups with Batman.

 

Newsflash: That shows him as being a part of the Animated DCU. The same Justice League that is on the Justice League show teamed up with Static on his show, that proves they're in the same continuity as does Static's team ups with Batman and Superman. It's really not that hard to figure out.

Not so riduculous actually. Comic book continuity is waxy at best and this holds doubly true for their animated counterparts. Metaphysician wins the cigar on this one. It's only canon if it diretly appears or is mentioned in the respective series. In Static's universe there is a JLA, but not necessarly is there a Static in the JLA universe. Your proof doesn't hold up to the test.

Originally posted by Derek Hiemforth

Nope, we've always played that they cost END on each of the character's Phases.

Which of course has the downfall of faster characters having to eat more of the endurance burden similar to faster characters drowning faster in HERO. A minor complaint, but it still is there.

Originally posted by Mike W

Also, as assault pointed out, neither the Avengers nor the JLA could accept any newbies as members in such a world because a 350 point character is so outclassed among 1000 point monsters that they can't really help...particularly given how powerful the villains might be. They'd be nothing more than a liability to the team and would thus never be allowed on the field by any number of members of either team.

 

I don't buy that argument for a second. I'd reference you back to the JLA from the comic book (most recent series) placing Connor "Green Arrow" Hawke on the team. Compaired to Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Flash, this guy is incredibly outclassed in raw power and Batman would slap him around like a green shirted step child. Just because you can't hang with the big dogs in raw powers doesn't mean you are worthless. Connor essentially saved the whole league just by being in the right place at the right time and using one of his pops old boxing glove arrows to save the day.

Any GM worth his salt should be able to have something for anybody in the team to do regardless of power level. Having the big bad in the campaign constanly grabbing for the most vulnerable team members, although it would make real world sense, goes against genre staples.

I came up with a variant on Hammer & Anvil by replacing them with a married couple. John Ball and Lisa Cheney were joined together by the alien Synthecon and became Ball & Chain, which IMHO was a better name than H & A and a more fun concept because the two of them were on the outs with their marraige and the heroes had to endure their constant bickering.

Originally posted by Mike W

These people aren't THAT powerful.

It's all relative. The whole point balance issue depends on what point severybody else is built on.

A 300 point version of the Flash is more than enought when the villains are built on 150. A 1000 point Flash might be needed when the same villains are fleshed out to 500 points.

I think I'd dress up like a villain just to get Electrawoman to wrestle around with me for a while.

The way to get more actions without exceeding speed 12 is Duplication with some limitations or the area effect advantage.

With the duplication, you're probably talking some serious points, even with the limitations (like only in line with path of travel & only lasts for that phase). But if you're trying to simulate the "hypothetical" Flash, you're going to have to dole out the points anyway.

Originally posted by Trebuchet

LD, you're still screwed if someone shoots you with a rifle, Class IIIA armor or not.

 

Yup, .308 and 30-06 should both cut through. Thankfully most of the probationers we're apprehending should only be packing handguns. So far, I've never come across anybody who actually had the gun on them when I did the arrest. A few knives and some assorted other things, but the only time I've personally seen a gun on a probation arrest is in the person house.

Originally posted by Von D-Man

 

If they are using standard assault rifles (especially 7.62) they probably won't bother with AP rounds because most armies can't afford to equip the majority of their troops with body-armor, and the body armor worn by most law enforcement officers (Class II ballistic vests worn under the clothes) isn't sufficient to stop most rifle shells without metal inserts (and its a rare cop who wears those).

 

Unfortunately it's not as rare as it used to be. I'm an officer with the county probation department in the warrants unit and I'm wearing class IIIA all day, every work day. The class II the regular officers wear is supposed to be sufficient to stop 9mm and .357 magnum, but I wouldn't want to put it to the test against .50 AE magnum.

Now militaries often equip their troop with flak jackets, but that is supposed to be strictly to protect against shrapnel.

Never saw a write up for a towel, but have seen a blanket (for Linus from Peanuts as a stretchable HA and Presence Defense) and a baby bottle (for Diaperman).

Originally posted by Space Cadet

Ralph did indeed have a girlfriend in the show (played by Connie

Selleca), who IIRC was a lawyer of some sort, and eventually became

Mrs. Greatest American Hero towards the end of the series.

As to the students, I believe that Michael Pare was the "bad boy"

of the class, and that one of the female students was originally

on "Welcome Back Kotter" (I think her nickname on WBK was

"Hotsie Totsie").

 

Space Cadet

Yes, Connie Sellica played Pam Davidson, who was an attorney.

A 20 minute pilot for the Greatest American Heroine (sounds like a show for smackheads) was filmed with the suit being given to a divorced mother. It was lengthened out to an hour after it didn't sell and included in the syndication package with three other unaired episodes of GAH. The FX network showed it the last time they were running the show.

Michael Pare did indeed play Tony Villicana, the bad kid who wasn't so bad. (Who I think would be a hoot to play Bill Maxwell if they ever get around to making a remake movie).

The girl you are thinking about is probaly Faye Grant from V & V: The Final Battle as Rhonda.

There was an internet rumor going around a few years back that they were remaking this as a movie with Gary Oldman as Ralph and Malcolm McDowell as Bill and directed by Tim Burton. Somebody had even made a mock-up poster of it. Turned out to be a hoax.

Here is a good link for those wanting some nostalgia: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3657/

I also used Proditor Capella, but for Champions and modified to be a good guy.

Alternately, you could make Pallbearer a Dupicator who can make 6 of himself.

Foulable is also much broader than restrainable. High Winds, enclosed spaces and other factors may make foulable wings unusable. I'd add to that if they were to take BODY, they are out of commission until they heal.

##Superman's about as powerful as Thor. When Rogue touched Loki she went argh and fell down. I don't know if she'd have any better luck with Superman.##

Something similar happened in our MSH game that was quite amusing.

A little back story -

Back in the mid-eighties, we played the original MSH (upgrading to Advanced when it came out), pretty hardcore. Several of the players came and went over the 12 years.

Now it's circa 1997. I'm playing a mutant who has gravity manipulation powers. Due to a series of fairly interesting events that involved pushing his powers, his powers had increased and a team of scientists including Reed Richards and Dr. Octavius had to put a regulator in his head to keep his powers from going wild. All the pushing had damaged the centers of his brain that regulated his powers.

So, Kevin, one of the players that haden't played in years moved back. He wanted to make a "big" impression by changing things by running a game.

Since things in our game happened a bit different than in the comic books, the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants plus Rogue were a group. (An interesting side note, the X-men didn't exist in this game. Wolverine was leading Alpha Flight, Collussus was part of the Russian Super Soldiers and Nightcrawler was part of the villain group "Faces of Fear".)

Rogue had been hiding in the crowd disguised as a civilian. In the ensuing melee, she took a dive off the building the fight was taking place on (pretty risky since this version hadn't had the opportunity to rape Ms. Marvel's powers).

I don't know what bug was up Kevin's but that day, but he wanted to get at Blue Streak (the gravity manipulator). When Mongoose went to jump off the building to save her, he got a little funny and tried to point out there were no flagpoles or other things to grab on the way down. So basically he tried to pigeon hole Blue Streak into doing it.

So Blue Streak caught her and took her to the ground. Then he tells me she grabs his face just above the groun and reveals his plan for taking the powers. I casually inform him that the force field wont let that happen. He tries to say that I didn't say the field was on, but it was actually part of the power that when he was flying, the power was on (linked).

So then he wants to go back on that. He says that she wants to kiss him to thank him once they hit ground and that I have no reason to refuse it. MEGACHEESE, but since I know what's about to happen, I go with it.

She gets the power and I casually inform him about what's happening. Her powers seem fine for a minute or two and then she turns into a singularity and dies, wiping out most everything in an area.

Now he's mad. I explain the back history. He tries to play "Well her brain isn't damaged, so she can control it." I counter with the fact it doesn't work that way in the comics when she sucks up cyclopses powers.

Everybody else agrees with me.

We had a void policy in the game since it was muliply-GMed. If a majority of the players voided an adventure, it didn't happen. Guess what?

We voided it. Last game Kevin ran for us.

Sorry for getting off topic, I just wanted to tell a funny story.

Re: Re: could kitty pride beat superman?

Originally posted by Solomon

... then Superman vibrates himself out of phase. Ops! Sorry! That was pre-Crisis Supes.

 

Anyway, I don't think Kitty could even get close to Superman, much less hitting him. Her "flight" speed is basically limited to running speed, while Supes... well, you get my point.

LOL. That's the one that could push Marvel-Earth into the sun .

Originally posted by Blue

He says, "And these guys make Champions. It's the game you'll need a math degree to play."

 

Perhaps a better way to put it would be "It's the game you need to learn enough math to pass junior high school to play."

Honestly, I don't know what the problem is. You needed math in D&D.

I can remember Mez (a friend) mumbling to himself after ever d20 roll. "Hmmm . . . a 6 . . . +2, +1, +1, +2, +4, -1 . . . hmm, that can't be right, gotta be a +1, +3, +1 . . . 21!"

This is from a MSHRPG.

We had landed the groups plane on a jungle airstrip in South America.

Denis (GM): Six guerillas come running out of the jungle at you as you come out of the plane.

Dangerman (me): When the lead one get's close enough to me, I make my move. Are they carrying guns?

Denis : . . .er, no.

Dangerman: Machettes?

Denis: No.

Dangerman : So they're running at us without weapons? Fine, I wait until the lead one gets close enough and do a Jackie Chan type of manuever immobilizing him with his own jacket and using him as a weapon and shield against a couple of the others.

Denis: They're not wearing jackets. Why would they be wearing jackets?

Dangerman: What then? Are the nude?

Denis: They're guerillas.

Dangerman: Spell it for me.

Denis: G-O-R-I-L-L-A-S.

Dangerman: What the hell are gorillas doing in South America?

Denis: They're indigenous. They live in the jungle.

Poor Denis had his facts a little off, but got it all back on track once he found out that there are no apes in South America and corrected the whole thing to make it a plot involving the Red Ghost.

Originally posted by Solomon

Only one writeup, but a ton of slashfic on Midnighter over the Internet.

Would slashfic in his case be heterosexual stories?

Sorry, no cigar. Lovey, as is common among those pretentious socialites is a nickname. Anybody else want to take a crack at it?