liveevil2000

I started this thread to see if there was an informed explanation to the reasoning behind the power level to cost. 
 

I was hoping for something more than “what’s the problem” and essentially a “because it is” reply. 
 

if you feel this is not an issue for your game. Then that’s great. I’m not here to tell you how to run a game or force a change in the rules. 
 

just wanted to know the thought process behind the design decision

Yes. There is a -2 that comes with the added 6d6. It also comes with a +1 on DCV. 
Now let’s put that in terms of points. 
if I wanted to build that “maneuver”/ power, it would cost 50points. 
(6d6 at 0end -2ocv /+1dcv)
 

getting 50points worth of power for 10points is a no brainer. 
 

what I am seeing is a power/skill that is a must for any melee character. 
 

it’s no longer a choice. It’s a must have. 

38 minutes ago, assault said:

.1d6/3d6 is probably the most "correct" in terms of pricing, but doesn't give a martial artist much of an attack unless they buy up their strength or use some other Endurance using ability. It tends to squeeze them out of viability.

 

2d6/4d6 is better in that respect, but is still attractive for bricks, in that it allows them to change some of their damage causing ability so that it doesn't cost END and gives them other bonuses as well.

 

To complicate matters, in CNow a "brick" can easily have as much DEX and SPD as a "martial artist". These labels aren't character classes.

I agree with you 1d6/3d6 do put a squeeze on Martial Arts “Bruce Lee” concepts. 

2d6/4d6 might be attractive to everyone, but at least it doesn’t seem so grossly underpriced. 

If the damage for each attack were brought down. At what point would it be a good deal for a Martial Artist and not such a good deal for any other build?

if it were at 1d6 punch and 3d6 kick. Would that be appealing for a martial artist to spend 10 points and unappealing for a brick?

what if it were 2d6 punch and 4d6 kick?

thoughts?

11 hours ago, assault said:

Yes, it's an obvious loophole.

 

I usually stack it on top of my Bricks' Strength. You lose a bit of lifting strength, but gain a nice/nasty bonus to your attacks.

 

If you are desperate for END, you can drop the amount of Strength you use right down, and Martial Kick.

Assault, 

thank you for the reply. 
 

This is the concern. 
I would love to know what the thinking was behind making it so cheap.  You said you usually stack it. At that cost you should “always” stack it. 
 

There is no reason why every build of character wouldn’t have Martial Attack. 
 

Brick with 4d6 str. Special effect “heavy handed” . Get martial attack now suddenly 7d6 punch / 10d6 kick

Fire Projector with 4d6 blast special effect “fiery fists”. Get strike w/Martial kick advantage 10d6 special effect “fiery fists” ... at least that cost extra with the strike advantage. 

My point is at the cost of 10points, every single build should buy it. It’s a complete no brainer. Champions now goes from superheroes to Kung-Fu theater. 

It seems Martial Attack offers so much more than the 10 point cost would suggest. 

For 10 points you get ...

Martial Punch - +3d6 strength damage only at 0end. and +1 Dexterity defense only (20pts value)

And

Martial Kick - +6d6 strength damage only at 0end and +1 Dexterity defense only \-2 Dexterity offense only (35pts value)

With that's much value for only 10 points, it seems EVERY character should buy in. Unless I am missing something in the rational of the cost. Does anyone have insight on this?