Shinobi Killfis

Re: Summon specific being?

It can be abused. Summon the King, for example. However, it can also be far less useful than a generic Summon. Summon a Generic Police Officer seems a lot more useful than Summon the Police Officer I summoned last time, who is still in traction from the hit he took. When (if!) he recovers, he seems unlikely to be thrilled about my continuing to Summon him.

 

As the value is very dependent on the specifics of the Summon, I'd like to see the option of setting a price for "summon specific being" referred to as an advantage or limitation to be determined by the GM and player based on the benefits and drawbacks.

I was seeing a multitude of the officer in traction examples in my head or even dead so you lose the points you spent. I guess if the specific being is determined at the time you summon it for a speak with ghost of the corpse over there power I can see it as an advantage.

My chain of thought went something like this.

1. Reading duplication, a side bar mentions using summon as a form of disposable duplication,

2. Hey that's kind of cool, something like Naruto.(yes I'm a 36 year old man who read Naruto, I blame it on working at a comic store for years especially during a period of really bad American comics)

3. Huh, Amicable+1, specific being +1. Yikes....

4. Read specific being, Um I guess he is kind of a specific being. Specific weak version of self. It has your knowledge and can communicate it with you. I couldn't pull off the you gain the dupes knowledge when you recombine, but that happened in later issues that I did not care for anyways.

5. It really does not feel like a +1 advantage for what I'm going for. Its borderline specific being, so my sample character won't have specific being.

Re: 6E Telekinetic Strength

As I recall, Colossus was stronger than that. 70 tons when he first started off, nearly as strong as the Thing back in the day. He's up in the 100 ton range now though.

 

I should also point out that Marvel measures a persons physical strength differently than their telekinetic power. Telekinetic ability is based on how much you can levitate off the ground. Period. Physical strength is based on how much a character can Press, which is a specific type of lift. Being able to Press 50 tons requires a greater degree of STR than being able to just lift 50 tons.

 

That said, I know where you're coming from. The comics only seem to use a characters official profile as a rough guideline and for an homage/conversion, that sort of things doesn't really matter anyhow.

Continuing with the comparison, I guess my point is I would not mind a 25 ton marvel girl to 100 ton colossus. Its the 25 ton to 1.5 kiloton that bothers me, even if its at range your power is the look I can lift stuff power. If the other archtype outclasses you at it by that much it just feels weak. Oh, well its not that big of a deal. As long as we don't use AP and more use other forms of balancing I'll be fine.

Re: Another view of Damage Negation (6e)

The problem here was what was called the stun lottery. The d6-1 stun mod instead of the new d3 stun mod. The stun lottery allowed a character to do more stun than an EB of equal point cost. Now a 3d6K with +1 stun autofire should do for each shot between 3B6S to 18B72S with an average of 11B33S. A 10d6 EB autofire should do for each shot between 0B10S to 20B60S with an average of 10B35S.

 

In fact, most of the reasons I've heard about to use negation has been the stun lottery. If the lottery was never there, I wonder if we would have had negation in the first place.

That is part of the problem, but look at some of the guns in 5e(6e may have toned down the stats on to of the stun lotto change). Some of these guns our AP attacks from Menton level villains. A 3d6 autofire, armor piecing attack even with average stun devastates supers.

Can someone explain why this is an advantage. It seems more like a limitation to me. What am I missing?

Re: Another view of Damage Negation (6e)

I've never been a big fan of trying to import the goofier genre quirks into the game.

I'm not sure how goofy it is. Supers frequently survive and shrug off large supers attacks. For example cyclops might blast away with optic beams that blow through buildings and only bruise a super. Even antivehicle weapons of today aren't as destructive as the attacks of a super as depicted, yet frequently in Champions a heavy machine gun would mop the floor with supers. If you are bouncing energy attacks which would take out tanks, it seems wierd when a rifle drops you.

For this power I'd like a all or nothing version. I like the way normal defenses work vs most super attacks, but I'd like the ability to ignore the attacks from small arms.

Re: Get away from me.

A whole lot of Ugly

Dispel Comeliness in 5e??

8d6 dispel, does knockback, double knockback, Explosion, PI, no range.

Everyone near by turns so ugly they physically recoil from themselves.

In 6e Dispel PD would work well vs everyone but bricks, maybe dispel ED or dispel recovery.

Dispelling a Stat or anything persistent while doable always seems weird to me.

Before I heard the ruling on you have to have the sense for it to effect you for KB flashes, for dispel I had a repulsar ray that was dispel knockback resistance, does knockback, double knockback. But I guess it would not work on people without knockback resistance then.

It usually hit for 20" of knockback, people usually knocked enough off with the roll that it did 12d6 if they hit something really solid, but they did go flying.

Now you just have to megascale it for more fun.

Re: 6E Telekinetic Strength

Before her most recent death she was capable of about a 55 STR without the Phoenix Force.

 

I'm pretty sure back in her X-Factor days shes was right around the 40-45 range.

Marvel has fairly weak strength compared to DC. Virtually no one is in the 100+ ton range and fewer still exceed 100+ tons by a big margin. When I convert marvel character concepts to a champions world I adjust strength to the norms of that world. Colossus is supposed to be fairly strong, but under marvel he was in the 50 tons range. If 60 strength is average strong buy I'd put him at 60 strength, if 60 is high strength in the setting I keep him in the 50 ton range and a 55 strength.

Same for telekinetic's, I expect her strength to be under the team strong guys just not by the margin the same AP would indicate.

Re: All Books In Warehouse: APG, Both 6th Ed

Archer has the truth of it. I will note that if that's the Gator in California' date=' they're at least pretty close to both our warehouse and their main distro, so travel time should at least be short. dw[/quote']

 

Yeah, its the Gator in Belmont, CA. I try to support the local shop even if they don't support RPGs with there gaming table. Apparently only collectible games are cool enough to be played in the store.

Re: Get away from me.

A variation on the following build could also work.

 

 

 

Note that according to the 'official' ruling from Steve Long, a Flash with Does KB only affects targets that have the specified 'sense'. I personally would houserule around that issue.

 

That's how I did it in 5e. I found that with double knockback being a 3/4 advantage it dropped any EB down to the level it wouldn't do damage anyways if this was in a multipower so doing a non-damage power like flash works great. If I could figure a universal thing to dispel that would work as well.

Re: All Books In Warehouse: APG, Both 6th Ed

Curses, I suspect Gator orders through a distributor. Well I got the PDF from the website, so that will hold me.

Re: 6E Telekinetic Strength

I noticed under the characteristic power it gave an example of Strength just for lifting at a -4 limitation. Or at least I think it says that, the iphone isn't to great for reading PDFs. For TK would you think that would be the same limit. I don't know why, but it doesn't seem as limiting to me when its at range.

Re: All Books In Warehouse: APG, Both 6th Ed

Any idea on when we should see them at our local stores? Are they getting shipped to at the same time as the direct orders from your website?

Re: 6E Telekinetic Strength

re: effective use of Autofire

 

Take a look at my version of Green Arrow in my sig below.

He has a 60 Active point Multipower where nearly all slots have Charges (which takes care of 0 END). He also has a Ranged Martial Arts package that can increase the damage to those 'arrow' slots that have the Autofire Advantage. The character is also built to take advantage of the 'Ranged Sweep'/Rapid Attack rules. The sfx of his Autofire arrows is that he can grab and knock up to 3 at a time for one bow-pull. Rapid Attack actually involves separate bow pulls.

 

Hopefully something like this could be 'ported over to a Gambit build.

Yeah, I've been able to work it with charges. But for any power based character where charges don't make much sense it just doesn't work very well. With the same 60 point multipower you either have 6D6 1/2 end or 8d6 and blow through wads of endurance. 6d6 bounses off all opponents in the same ballpark and doesn't really jack up agents unless you hit with most or all of the shots. So you end up having XD6 NNd, area of effect, 0 end just so it does something and it ends up frequently doing too much. Frustrating, but like I said I can just call the multiple shots a special effect and go from there.

Re: 6E Telekinetic Strength

For my first character for 6E I wanted to go with a basic Telekinetic. Strength, forcefields, flight, and a EB. I was using Jean Grey back during the X-Factor days as inspiration. Like I said I get the utility and balance side of things to some degree, but given how weight scales it quickly gets to a point where Telekinesis looks really weak in comparison.

Initially I wanted to keep it simple as I learn the differences in this edition, but I bumped into this issue. While I expect the strong guy to be stronger I wasn't envisioning 25 tons compared to 1.5 kilotons weaker.

Not that it relates to this character but I can't get autofire to ever work effectively either without either gimicking the system hard or using way too many AP. My attempts at a Gambit character throw mutliple cards as a special effect not as an actual autofire attack. Reducing the Endurance to a bearable level ends up making the damage so weak that it bounces off all defenses and doesn't even really hurt many viper agents much, or it ends up costing a whole heck of a lot and isn't much more effective than a basic 12d6 attack. I should make a new thread for autofire, but it can wait until I have to deal with it.

So as in previous editions telekinesis costs 3 for 2 points of strength. Now while it feels balanced on the usefulness scale it is ranged and somewhat indirect strength, when you bump into AP limits it feels really weak in lifting power. Lets say you were standard superheroic and had a 80 point AP guideline. Your GM is feeling generous and lets you have 81 points or a 54 Str telekinesis. You can almost lift 50 tons, meanwhile mr muscles has an 80 strength and can lift 1.5 killatons. When it comes to the Damage and dice I get the balance but 50 tons compared to 1.5 killatons just feels total weaksauce in comparison.

Now if the bruiser puts himselft at 60 strength because he wants to be in the 12 dice of damge area then hey you are in the same ballpark of lifting strength. But all else being equal you look like a wuss when it comes to lifitng power. Any suggestions from people more familiar with creative rules taking on how to make a telekinetic with "Tons" of lifting strength while not really caring about the daamage output.

I'm not sure if this works, but I've thoguht of taking Extra Limbs(infitnite-telekinetic contrructs), stretching, does not cross interveining space, and indirect to some level) Then just take a bunch of strength defined as telekinteic strength. I don't know how these capabilites work together with AP limits though.

Side note: 6e looks sweet, I really love all the rule changes i have noticed so far. The layout and art are top notch as well.