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Re: 4th Edition Package Deals Derek, that's an excellent recommendation. And really what I was trying to do with my 2 package deals (a northern wastes barbarian racial package, and an enraging axe lord profession package).

Re: 4th Edition Package Deals Of course I want to hear what you have to say. And thanks to all for the info. So it seems if B is the method, then there isn't any difference between buying the thief package deal and just buying the powers and disadvantages seperately and completely unrelated. In either case you're just buying 20 points of powers and 20 points of disadvantages. So in either case you are left with 130 points to spend, and 55 more points of disadvantages to find. Which makes me wonder why Package Deals were ever there to begin with (other than to speed up character creation). And why a package deal has a package deal cost, since it means nothing. All that matters is the powers and disadvantage points spent. So if I had a package with 20 points in powers and 10 in disadvantages, I'd just have 130 points left to spend, and 65 more points of disadvantages to find in my 150 base character (with a 75 base). Kinda funny, but the creator software doesn't work like this in the least way. In this case I would have only spent 10 points of my 150, not 20. And in the 20/20 case above I still have all of my 150 points left for purchase. Was this known to be a bug in the software?

We've got one last Hero campaign in 4th edition and it's character creation time. There is some confusion on Package Deals and how to pay for them. I was hoping for some clarification, official if possible, but any feedback welcome. Let's say I'm building a standard 150 point hero. The 'Thief' package deal has Talents/Skills/Etc that total to 20 points. It also has disadvantages in it that also total 20 points. So the package cost is listed as 0. After selecting this package for my character I: a) Still have 150 points available to spend on my character as the disadvantages in a package deal are meant to offset the Talents/Skills/Etc as well as 75 more points of disadvantages to come up with (as 75 of the points are 'base' for the character). I now have 130 points left to spend as have to take in account that I spent 20 points on Talents/Skills/Etc My opinion is that A is the proper way to do it. Otherwise what would be the point to a package deal? If B was the way to work it, then how is it different than just buying the Talents/Skills/Etc and then just buying the disadvantages in the normal way. The GM says that B is the way to go as the sample characters are all written this way. And indeed if you look at the sample thief in the book, the Talents/Skills/Etc from the Thief Package Deal ARE in the total of his 150 points spent. And the disadvantages from the Package Deal are part of the 75 points of disadvantages that the player must come up with (75 of the 150 being 'base'). Whereas if A was the way to go, I would expect to see 150 points of powers above and beyond what he got from the Thief Package Deal, as well as 75 points of other disadvantages. Or only see a total of 130 points spent (the Package Deal being free as the gains and losses on it are cancelled out). Any thoughts? References to rules in the book or any other official info to support either method are most welcome. And thanks in advance for reading and/or responding.

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