Nero's Boot

Re: Fuzion

Y'ouch, didn't realize Fuzion was so hated around here. It's a good system, I like it; but as I do not want to start a flamewar, I'll withdraw from this thread, and hopefully everyone will let the thread die a peaceful, obscure death.

--I like both systems, though Fuzion is definitely the "lighter" of the two game engines NB

After seeing the Fuzion rules set mentioned in the back of HERO 5th, I felt intrigued enough to hunt a copy down and buy it. I purchased Fuzion Powered Multigenre Roleplaying Tool for all of 8 dollars, and fell in love with the system.

While I still feel that HERO is by far and away the better of the two systems, Fuzion is far less crunchy and, to my mind at least, easier to tinker with. Has anyone had much experience with Fuzion? How does it play, compared to HERO?

--and to Mr. Long, I only posted this here because your core rulebook mentions Fuzion as a "child" of HERO NB

Re: gods among men...

A Dr. Destroyer fantasy lookalike would make an excellent evil "god of the forge."

--remember, gods are typically so potent nothing can stand against them NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

Not *quite* true, as only eximorphs gain powers from having an MR node. Psychamorphs and paramorphs don't.

 

However, its essentially just an expansion of the concept, except with three specific sources of powers rather than one.

Incorrect. Psi is a form of non-superheroic psychic power, and telluric energy is simply really low-key psi.

--Adventure! takes on the pulp genre, Aberrant tackles superbeings, and Trinity takes on sci-fi NB

Re: Stephen King characters in HERO

SPOILERS FROM THE FINAL BOOK OF THE DARK TOWER SERIES, CONCERNING FLAGG...

Flagg's real name is Walter o'Dim, and he comes from the same world as Roland of Gilead. Walter came to serve the Crimson King, the force of primordial chaos, and seeks to help the Red King in his mad quest to tear down the Dark Tower and rule the wastelands that all worlds would then become. Flagg is (or at least was) human, but he was a sorcerer of unparalleled power, and does not age as mortal men age. Flagg even intended on betraying his master by ascending the Tower, and seizing the power contained therein...but alas for poor ol' Walter, the infant son of the Crimson King eats him alive.

--and that's that NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

As for those who despise one source of superpowers and supertech: It can be done in a cool way or manner, if done right.

Take, for example, my favorite high-powered supers game, Aberrant, published by White Wolf Game Studio: In Aberrant, all superpowers derive from a node of tissue in one's brain that enables you to access "Quantum energy," the source of all energy in the material universe. Super intellect, energy blasts, super strength, and the ability to fly faster than sound all originate from this tiny nodule of brain matter known as the M-R node. In essence, all superpowers have one originating source.

And White Wolf pulled it off! Aberrant is one of the best supers games I have ever had the joy of owning, and I hope to whatever patron saint is in charge of gaming that more games of equal caliber eventually hit the market.

--Godlike is another such "one source for all superpowers" game setting NB

Re: Exalted HERO

That's perfectly reasonable' date=' and just as good a reason to look up that thread I mentioned. It links to all the online HERO game conversions I've been able to find to date, and it's a pretty substantial list.

Thanks, Lord Liaden!

--I'll be sure to check the thread out NB

Re: Teleios: The origin story

The thing is, this is background stuff that nobody aside from Teleios even *knows*. . . and Teleios himself has all but repressed the memory.

 

Hence, it would be a very poor target for a "Ahah, fooled you!!' trick.

Who knows? Maybe Menton created Teleios, in an attempt to have a pawn he could use against Dr. Destroyer. Maybe Menton took some of Zerstoiten's most sensitive genetic research, used telepathic insight to steal even more research from other geneticists around the world, combined it all into one formula, then gave it to Teleios.

--later on, Menton surpressed Teleios' knowledge of the whole deal; it's not like Teleios has any psychic defenses NB

Re: Exalted HERO

BTW if you're interested in converting other games into HERO' date=' may I suggest that you look in the "Other Software & Online Resources" forum. There's a thread there that may interest you. [/quote']

 

It's not that I'm a fanatic about HERO 5th, it's just that I love the system and the products supporting that system, and I'd love to see more support for it online.

 

--and one of the best ways to do that, is to convert other games into HERO 5th NB

Re: Teleios: The origin story

That is true. But then again, how many times have you an official write-up, then have another show up later which says "eveything you know about Charater X is wrong" without using other earths as an explnation?

 

I am not talking about the difrences between editions...but write-ups within the same edition, by the same creator, which says "haha! I got you! Eveything I told you about Charater X, I lied! Hear is the real story."

That is appropriate for some games. Take Vampire: The Masquerade, for example. It was, at its base, a game about lying, cheating, backstabbing undead parasites dwelling in a Machiavellian society of cutthroats and backbiters. Lying is the first tool in an elder's campaign to control all around him.

--thus, for Vampire: The Masquerade, that sort of metagame lying is perfectly acceptable NB

Has anyone done a partial or even a full conversion of the game Exalted (published by White Wolf Game Studios)?

--because I'd be interested in seeing such conversion notes NB

Re: Teleios: The origin story

Not so sure I like the Captain Chronos idea. Still, it's probably the best bet, until Steve stops teasing us and gives us the full answer to this particular enigma.

--setting up orbit 'tween and 'til the full story is told NB

Re: Teleios: The origin story

Who knows' date=' maybe it had to be Teleios to save Captain Chronos's future. Captain Chronos is not interested in morals but "to prevent the collapse of the time-stream and save all reality." Maybe he creates the butterfly that saves the time-stream [/quote']

 

Meh. That's like giving godlike power to Adolf Hitler, on the justification that after he annihilates most of Europe, a better world will emerge.

 

--for the record, Teleios and Hitler share quite a few beliefs NB

Re: Here's a theory out of left field

It was The Dragon. The Mystic World does say that it sometimes subtly influences things to inspire villainy and thus evil.

 

Perhaps the Dragon manipulated Teleios subconscious to write the paper himself in his sleep, even altering the way he normally wrote so he wouldn't recognize it was from his own hand.

 

And thus Teleios is inspired, and evil and suffering follow, just like The Dragon wants.

"The Dragon"?

--forgive me, but I am far from an expert on the Champions era of the HEROverse NB

Re: Teleios: The origin story

I always thought that Captain Chronos might be behind it. Retrieves the formulae from the future and delivers it to Jakob Stroessen that night. For some reason only known to Captain Chronos he needs Stroessen to have the formulae to save the future. It fits right in with Telios's origin story and Captain Chronos's motivation and modus operandi.

 

Elementary my dear Watson!

Then Captain Chronos could have given that knowledge to someone other that a genetic supremacist who hungers to play with the entire human genome, just to see what horrors he could unleash.

--in terms of personality and goals, Teleios is as bad as Dr. Destroyer NB

Re: Teleios: The origin story

Hmmm, well, since Destroyer isn't behind Teleios, then we're left with a huge enigma. Now that the "good" Doctor is out of the running, I'm seriously giving credance to the idea of time-travel being involved somehow.

--perhaps Teleios is responsible for his own apotheosis, in a way he never could have imagined? NB

Reading through Champions Universe, I came across Teleios, a very cool master villain I'll be making extensive use out of. But one thing bugs me: His origin story. Who left him the notes that led to his mastery of genetics? Was it Dr. Destroyer? An alien species? Teleios' future self? Has this ever been solved, canonically?

--and if not, what's everyone's non-canonical story behind Teleios' ascension to genetic supremacy? NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

So, what villains survive to thye Galactic Champions era, aside from Mechanon?

--hopefully, we'll see Teleios, or else a descendent of Teleios NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

Excellent! I hope you'll enjoy it. While you won't find the complete history of the 2020 period set forth -- GC really isn't the book for that -- there are definitely some more details that I think you'll enjoy.

I really enjoy my HERO sourcebooks and supplements; after I finish my Champions collection, I'll move on to Star HERO, and then after that, on to Fantasy HERO.

--I also ordered VIPER, as well as Arcane Adversaries; I'm on a VERY serious villain-binge right now NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

To be accurate' date=' he does. Bishop's description is an attempt to be humorous, I think, and it succeeds, but it ignores the text of [i']Galactic Champions.[/i] If you're really interested in the overall evolution of the setting, I'd suggest you pick up a copy; it's a fun read.

Heh, already one step ahead of you, Steve!

--I ordered it today NB

Re: Reccomended Reading: Fantasy Novels

Read The Dark Tower series by Stephen King. It's a weird mix of genres, much like the official HEROverse setting, but it's predominantly a Wild West story with heavy fantasy elements thrown in, set in a post-apocalypse sci-fi universe.

--yeah, it's weird, but it worked goshdarnit NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

its All Handwaving!!!

I know. It's just a gaping plot inconsistancy that my nitpicking mind is trying (hopelessly) to make sense of.

-- I'm weird like that, demanding plot consistancy in my roleplaying games NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

Because their technology wasn't based on super-science. They just had a natural higher tech level than humans due to centuries of building them. Humans became dependant upon super-tech and when it failed they needed to virtually start over.

See my above post. If Malvan tech kept working, and Destroyer's tech stopped working, then a canny bastard like Destroyer would have simply started using Malvan tech.

--a man like Destroyer doesn't make stupid mistakes like this NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

The ability for humans to create those ships did not come back for many' date=' many years. [/quote']

 

...yet somehow it exists for other species. My point still stands. If Earth was somehow outside the ambient magic field of the rest of the material universe, why didn't Zerstoiten just go to Malva, once he felt his suit failing, take advantage of advanced Malvan tech, conquer their empire, and not have to worry about dying ignominously to old age, a fate a villain like him should never succumb to?

 

It seems odd that Zerstoiten's brilliant mind would not notice the rest of the galaxy can keep on using supertech, but Earth started to not be able to, and did nothing to take advantage of this fact.. That is so unlike Dr. Destroyer that it screams "the writers just didn't want to include him in the Galactic Champions time period, and couldn't think of a real reason why."

 

--it seems a cop-out to me NB

Re: Well, I finished reading Conquerors, Killers and Crooks, and...

It makes sense if you understand that the level of super-technology needed to keep a 100+ year old man alive was no longer working due to super-technology no longer functioning.

...yet, the Malvans could keep on making ships that go faster than light.

-- riiiiiiight NB