phydaux

So the first round of the draft is done.  Here are the first 12 superheros in the order they were drafted:

1)  Thanos

2)  The Martian Manhunter

3)  Mister Majestic

4)  Sentry

5)  Dr. Strange

6)  Spawn

7)  Wonder Woman

8)  Raiden

9)  Superman

10) Thor

11) Apocalypse

12) Gorr

I'm number 9 in the draft.  Dr. Doom was my actual top pick, but when it was my turn and he was still undrafted, I couldn't make myself NOT pick Superman.

I'll post the teams when they're finalized.

I'm number 9 in the draft out of 12.  I'll post the teams when they're finalized.

Forgot:

Ra's al Ghul

Talia al Ghul

Luke Cage

Iron Fist

Judge Dredd is a good choice, better than many non-super powered options.   Also the Terry McGinnes Batman

OK, so here's my current prioritized list.  I'd love for you guys to look it over and see, first, if there are any glaring omitions.  Then if anyone is grossly out of place.  Remember, the idea is that each team of five will fight in a sort of "Royal Rumble," just a straight up fight with each hero/villain in their "standard" version and load out.  As understood by CASUAL fans. 

Here goes:

001.    Dr. Doom 
002.    Superman
003.    Hulk
004.    Silver Surfer
005.    Doomsday
006.    Juggernaught
007.    Flash Barry Allen 
008.    Flash Wally West
009.    Reverse Flash
010.    Red Hulk 
011.    Thor
012.    Beta Ray Bill
013.    Wonder Woman
014.    Magneto
015.    Batman
016.    SHAZAM Captain Marvel
017.    Black Adam
018.    Doc Samson
019.    Green Lantern Hal Jordan
020.    Sinestro
021.    Green Lantern Kyle Rayner
022.    Green Lantern Jon Stewart
023.    Green Lantern Guy Gardner
024.    Star Saphire
025.    Mon El
026.    Bizarro Superman
027.    Green Lantern Kilowag
028.    Captain Atom
029.    Major Force
030.    Lobo 
031.    Ultron 
032.    Doctor Strange
033.    Doctor Fate
034.    She-Hulk
035.    Power Girl
036.    Super Girl
037.    The Martian Manhunter
038.    Wolverine
039.    Jean Grey
040    Emma Frost
041.    Cyborg
042.    Mister Miracle
043.    General Zod
044.    The Abomination
045.    Big Barda
046.    Mongul
047.    Validus 
048.    Orion
049.    Hercules
050.    Iron Man
051.    War Machine
052.    Namor
053.    Human Torch
054.    Black Bolt
055.    Syndrome
056.    The Vision
057.    The Thing
058.    Spawn
059.    Venom
060    Carnage
061.    Green Goblin
062.    Colossus
063.    Professor X
064.    Groot
065.    Titanium Man
067.    Spiderman Peter Parker
068.    Captain America
069.    Deadpool
070.    Deathstroke
071    Wonder Man
072.    Hellboy
073.    Loki
074.    Mr. Incredable
075.    Solomon Grundy
076.    Iceman
077.    Frozone
078.    Captain Cold
079.    Mr. Freeze
080.    Killer Frost
081.    Starfire
082.    Raven
083.    The Punisher
084.    Green Goblin
085.    Hobgoblin
086.    Deadshot
087.    Zantana
088.    Scarlet Witch
089.    Electra
090.    Taskmaster
091.    Red Tornado
092.    Crimsion Dynamo
093.    Spiderman Miles Morales
094.    Spiderman Ben Reilly
095.    Cable
096.    Sabertooth
097.    Nightwing
098.    Hawkeye
099.    Green Arrow
100.    Blue Beatle
101.    Booster Gold
102.    Hank Pym
103.    The Wasp
104.    Black Bat Casandra Cain
105.    Batgirl Barbera Gordon
106.    Black Widow
107.    Spider Gwen
108.    Banshee
109.    Black Canary
110.    Rocket Racoon
111.    Daredevil
112.    Red Robin Tim Drake
113.    Red Hood Jason Todd
114.    Robin Damian Wayne
115.    Artemis
116.    US Agent
117.    Cyclops
118.    Nightcrawler
119.    Beast Boy
120.    The Huntress
121.    Batwoman
122.    The Comedian
123.    Night Owl
124.    Rorschach
125.    Silk Spector
126.    The Atom
127.    Harley Quinn
128.    Kitty Pryde
129.    Jubilee
130.    Dazzler
131.    Spoiler
132.    Robin Carrie Kelley

Oooo, forgot Hellboy and Spawn.

I forgot about Beta Ray Bill.

It's funny, until I made my list I never thought there would be someone I wanted on my team LESS than Dazzler.  lol.

Let's say Bronze Age Iron Man.

Thanks for the additions.  I'll make up a revised list, then we can discuss draft priority.

Question - Who should rank higher in the draft - Classic Iron Man or Green Lantern of Earth?  And that raises the question of WHICH Green Lantern of Earth.  lol

"What about a Green Lantern ?"

I thought about it, and quickly realized that i could probably do an entire team using ONLY Green Lanterns.

Thanks guys.  It dawned on me that my list has around 20 names, and there will be 20 teams.  It's likely that they will be all gone in the first round.  I'm thinking that to fill out 20 teams then by the last round people will be drafting Howard the Duck.

I'm tacking Colossus and The Thing to the bottom of the list.  They're not Superman/Hulk tier in strength, but I'm running out of ideas.  Captain Atom too?  Cyborg?  I'm more a Marvel guy than a DC guy...

So another forum that I am an active member of is doing a Super Hero Team Draft.  Team owners go through a draft process, picking super heroes/villains for their team.  After the teams are finalized then teams will face off in a bracket format, and all the owners will vote on the likely outcome of a battle between team A vs Team X.

Here are the rules:

Teams size has been changed to five-man teams.

I'm looking for help creating a prioritized Draft List of non-God-tier Superman & Hulk clones, so that when my draft rolls around I know who the best undrafted choice will be.  Since, like most things in comics, most of the outcome will be a popularity contest then I want to limit my list to Marvel & DC heroes & villains.  So while a particular Image Comics character might actually be more powerful, he might not be well known enough to carry the vote.

So far all I have is:

Dr. Doom (not a Superman or Hulk clone but he brings a lot of power to the table)

Superman

Hulk

Silver Surfer

Doomsday

Juggernaught

Flash Barry Allen (again not a Superman or Hulk clone, but when properly written he wipes the floor with any super team all by himself)

Flash Wally West

Reverse Flash

Red Hulk

Thor

Wonder Woman

SHAZAM Captain Marvel

Black Adam

Ultron (although he's kind of a joke, since he's suppose to be unstoppable but he's been defeated SO MANY TIMES)

She-Hulk

Super Girl

Power Girl

General Zod

The Abomination

That's 19.  I'd like to swell my list to at least 30.  Better 50.

Sentry would probably be considered God-tier, so he's out.  Same with Molecule Man.

Black Bolt had power, but I don't think he had to durability to stand and fight

Guardian is the Marvel universe Superman clone, but he's written with an huge innate weakness, plus I don't think he's popular enough to will a fan face off.

Unless I totally can't get my list to 30 then I'm passing on guys like Batman and Captain America.  They're popular, but for the raw power I'm looking for they don't measure up.  No, Batman does NOT get Two Weeks Prep Time (tm)

And before anyone can say it, No Squirrel Girl

Yes.  Fifth Revised EDition.

Happy Thanksgiving Hero family.

Reminds me of Dee Dee & Cee Cee from Batman Beyond. 

Always wanted to build a character like that - Low level martial arts & utility powers, but then maxed out Teamwork skill and every attack is a Combined Attack.

Plus it's hinted that their grandmother is Harley Quinn.

My IRL gaming group still uses 5th because they fear change, and are too cheap to buy new books.   And, honestly, it still works great for everything.

After trying 6th I very much prefer it.  

Plenty of people still use 5th.  It feels like old school Champions. 

Although it only took my one game with 6th for me to REALLY like it.  I find it normalizes DEX vs CV, something that older versions of Champions struggled with.

Quasar - "Mind Maiden!  AGAIN?  This makes... Oh God!  Get back to headquarters before anyone ELSE sees you..."

Shadowhunter - "PRIMUS has Psy Ops of their own who will confirm your story after a deep mind scan.  So come with me to PRIMUS headquarters right now.  OR I can break every bone on the left half of you body.  Your call.  I'm not picky."

Mystica - "Punch-punch, Bang-bang heroes will be busy tonight.  So will Mystica.  New artifact to analyse."

Multiform leaves a bad taste in my mouth, since I've seen too many players abuse it to build Everything Man - One form is a wealthy bachelor socialite, one is a batman-seque stealthy martial artist, one is a flying power projector, one is a super strong invulnerable brick, etc, etc, etc.   In my head it's poor form for one PC to try to be Everything Man because it makes the other PCs redundant and unnecessary.  If the team already has a stealthy martial artist or a trick arrow power projector on it, then those players have laid their claim on that shtick.  There are enough super hero tropes out there that you can be something ELSE and not step on another PC.

Also, IMO you spend your 400 points to build the hero you see in your head, NOT the hero you see on the pages of your favorite comic.  Because to build a hero that can do EVERYTHING that, say, Daredevil or Wolverine or WHOEVER has EVER been shown to be able to do, at the level of competency that the comics portrays them to be at, you're looking at 1000+ points.  

But to answer your question then, yeah, you could use Multiform and have one form be Tony Stark, wealthy bachelor socialite industrialist who just HAPPENS to have been trained in stealth & hand-to-hand by Captain America, and then have other forms be his Hulkbuster armor, Stealth armor, Orbital armor, Deep Sea armor, etc.  And one for his Every Day armor.

But now we're back to Everything Man.

Yeah, my character Mystica is a Russian mage raised by her grandmother, and her origin story strongly hints that her grandmother was the Archmage's lover.

My old campaign had to outlaw Aid to stats as it got REALLY broken really fast.

Well if you're not gonna take Besty then I'm totally stealing her for myself.

Then her hero name HAS to be Besty.  And THAT is her super power, AND her catch phrase - "Besty is The BEST!!!"

18 DEX & 18 INT, a TON of skills, decent CV, Martial Arts, a few gadgets (Flash Defense Sight Group, Life Support Extended Breathing, Radio Send & Receive), a multipower with various powers & attacks (Flash, Entangle, NND, APED, AOE EB, AOE Flash, AOE Entangle, AOE NND, Swinging, Gliding, AOE Darkness "Smoke Bomb", that should do it), and finally Four Over All Levels!

In combat the Over All Levels will give her +2 to OCV & +2 to DCV, which will make her REALLY formidable.  I'd say ratchet her DCs down by 2-3 so she doesn't overshadow the other charters, because with Martial Arts and those skill levels she will NEVER get hit.  Also, the FYB powers in the multipower will give her plenty of opportunity to debuff bad guys, but let Star Girl be the one to ACTUALLY finish them off. 

After all, "Star Girl is the Star.  But Besty is the BEST!"

And +4 to any skill roll or Perception check will make her really formidable when she's out of combat.  She'll be the Velma to Star Girl's Daphne.

An empath... not bad, given that the rest of the group includes a brick, a blaster and a guy with wings (martial artist).

 

I had actually thought about something of the sort, but I was reluctant. I might reconsider.

 

The name still needs work.

Her name is Frenemy.  She has Ego-based powers rooted in her deep-seated jealousy of Star Girl, and she will one day become Star Girl's archvillain nemesis.

Either that, or stick with Besty and make her a classic side-kick, with a ton of skills, gadgets that give her Flash & Entangles, but no actual attack powers.

But what are her powers?

 

Wingman has wings, Hot Boy has flame powers.

 

OK, Star Girl is a flying brick, but only because I didn't want to directly rip off DC's Stargirl.

This should give you some idea:

thanks ot this thread I am re-reading West Pacific Supers.  I also find myself increasingly ticked off that the author hasn't written a 3rd volume.