Crossbow

Re: Learning from the mistakes of others I will leave the D&D for second, let me address the first point. While I am not the rules guru for Champions, I do like the system, and I think it works relatively well. I would be opposed to to seeing a major change in the rules, and I don't think I am alone, if nothing else the failure of the Fuzion system clearly illustrates that. Tweak it, file off the sharp pointy bits, give us more source material, all good things. Doing a D&D 4E thing, not so good. On that note, D&D 4E is not old time D&D. It is an attempt to merge the systems of the D&D MMO and paper games to make it possible for people to crossover between the markets seemlessly, and to make it feasible for a pen and paper game to be played in a virtual enviroment with support. These are interesting ideas. They are ideas geared towards pleasing the people who are going to be playing and putting down their money, thus allowing D&D to continue to exist. I have played 4E, I know a GM who is a 4E fanatic and while I am not the convert that he is, I can appriciate the changes and user friendly aspects of it. I still know that it is not D&D. A final point. Champions and HERO don't have to be D&D, and don't have to do the things that D&D does. Champions and Hero don't represent the hobby of RPGs to the world at large, like it or not, D&D has to. The 'modernization' of D&D get bodies in the door. Solid games, with hopefully will include HERO 6E, are the things that keep the bodies happy once they get in. *tossing 2 CP* Crossbow

Re: How should I do this power? Two issues Naked Advantage Construct? Where is that? I am REALLY new to futzing with this program. I figured that the power would only share 30 points TOTAL, but spread over the group, like 10 STR 1 SPD amd 5 PD/ED. He only transfers 3 and a half dice (21 points total). Would it really work your way you think? Because then I would only have to buy 21 pts worth of the advantage. Crossbow

Re: How should I do this power? I am liking this option. 30 points of characteristics, Usable by others, at range, from the selected group, all at the same time. It works out to an 82 advantage exactly. I guess I have to put it into HD as a custom power, but at least the math and the logic hold up. Crossbow

Re: How should I do this power? We tried this with the character originally, it got way too expensive Crossbow

Re: How should I do this power? Not sure exactly how this one works, but definitely doesn't sound right. Crossbow

Anyone know where to find source material for this group? You guys help so well with the Cyberknights I was hoping you might know where this group might be. Thanks. Crossbow

Got a character that does transfers (STR, DEX, CON, SPD, and PD/ED), so his stats change. I want the character to be able to give his raised characteristics, and only the raised ones, to others. Preferable at range, but that doesn't have to be the case. I guess I could do it with Aid. That way I could tie the transfer rates together for a small or non-existant limitation, but I feel like I am missing a trick with some kind of Characteristic usable by others-type thing. I also want it to fit as a slot or multiple slots in an 82 point multipower Any Ideas? Crossbow

Okay so I am running a Champions campaign in 4th edition. I have a new character (electrical elemental type) that want to be able to control machines and computers electrically. I figure the AI and computer stuff is easy, mind control usable on machines, only on machines. Now I need to figure controlling non-intelligent machines, I am thinking TK usable only to make them do what they could normally do, usable only on electrically powered devices. Would a 1.5 limitation be about right for that your think? The other piece to this is figuring what kind of defense certain things like an armor-jock's battlesuit might have to resist that kind of effect, any ideas out there? Finally, I was wondering if there was ever anything fleshed out anywhere on the CyberKnights of Atlanta mentioned several times in the High Tech Enemies book. My team is based in Savannah so I think the group has a good chance of a run in with the old members. Any help would be appriciated. Thanks.

I am going nuts with these guys and I need to get them straight. But unfortunatley the only one I can find hard data on is Primus (ORG Book 2 and Classic Org, which is basically the smae thing. Where did the other two come from? Where is their source material? What is the difference between them? Thanks Crossbow:help:

Re: Fourth Edition Champions Part Dux-Finished product THE BARRISTER Points Characteristics Value 3 STR 13 30 DEX 20 6 CON 13 0 BODY 10 3 INT 13 10 EGO 15 3 PRE 13 0 COM 10 1 PD 4 1 ED 4 10 SPD 4 0 REC 6 0 END 26 1 STUN 25 68 Run Swim Other Points Powers/Talents/Skills 2 Contact 11- Name (FBI Handler for Witness Protection) 20 Luck 4d6 3 Lightning Calculator 3 Deduction 12- 3 Stealth 12- 4 PS: Accountant 13- 5 Paramedic 12- Weapon Training 5 Jab (Defensive Strike) 5d6 4 Swing (Martial Strike) 7d6 4 Block (Martial Block) 4 Wrist Strike (Martial Disarm) +20 STR 4 Damage Classes +2 OAF-Scepter of Office (-1) 59 79pt Multipower Balance Powers 40pt w/OAF (Scepter of Office) (-1) 6 (f) a. STR Transfer 3d6 Ranged (+1/2), Usable by Others (+1/4) 6 (f) b. DEX Transfer 3d6 Ranged (+1/2), Usable by Others (+1/4) 6 (f) c. CON Transfer 3d6 Ranged (+1/2), Usable by Others (+1/4) 6 (f) d. BODY Transfer 3d6 Ranged (+1/2), Usable by Others (+1/4) 6 (f) e. SPD Transfer 3d6 Ranged (+1/2), Usable by Others (+1/4) 6 (f) f. END Transfer 3d6 Ranged (+1/2), Usable by Others (+1/4) 3 (f) g. Ranged Killing Attack 3d6 Inanimate Objects Only (-1) & PD Aid 3d6 Trigger-RKA used (+1/4) Only value up to RKA BODY damage (-1/2) 3 (f) h. Health Drain (STUN and BODY as per Healing) 3d6 Ranged (+1/2) & Healing 3d6 Trigger-Drain used (+1/4) Only value of Drain (-1/2) 20 Armor 10rPD/10rED OIF Bulky Robes (-1/2) 182 Points Disadvantages 20 Hunted- VIPER (More Pow, 11-) 10 Watched FBI (Witness Protection Program) (More Pow, NCI, 8-) 20 Normal Characteristic Maxima 5 Psych Lim Paranoid (Uncom, Mod) 15 Psych Lim Protects Innocents (Com, Strong) 15 Secret ID (old life) 15 Secret ID (new life) 20 Unluck 4d6

Re: Fourth Edition Champions Part Dux-Finished product HEAVY ARMS Points Characteristics Value 13 STR 10(30) 26 DEX 10(23) 13 CON 10(20) 6 BODY 10(15) 8 INT 18 2 EGO 11 6 PRE 10(20) 1 COM 12 6 PD 2(16) 6 ED 2(14) 11 SPD 2(5) 0 REC 4(10) 0 END 20(40) 0 STUN 20(40) 98 (Char) are OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) Run Swim Other Points Powers/Talents/Skills 2 Contact 11- Name (FBI Handler for Witness Protection) 10 +1 Overall Level 3 Computer Programming 13- 3 Electronics 13- 1 Fam: Interrogation 8- 3 Inventor 13- 3 KS: VIPER 13- 3 Mechanics 11- 3 Skill Enhancer: Scientist 2 SS:Metallugy 13- 2 SS:Physics 13- 2 SS:Robotics 13- 3 Systems Operation 13- 3 Weaponsmith (Energy Weapons) 13- 43 75pt Multipower Power Armor OIF (-1/2) Not usable in high voltage fields (-1/4) 6 (v) a. Energy Blast 10d6 6 (v) b. Entangle 5d6, 5 DEF 6 (v) c. Flight +20", x4 NCM 6 (v) d. Force Field 25 rPD/25 rED 9 (v) e. Force Wall 10 rPD/10 rED Uncontrolled (+1/2) 17 END Reserve 150 END, 10 REC OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) 2 Enhanced Senses IR Vision OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) Costs END (-1/2) 2x END (-1/2) 2 Enhanced Senses Microscopic Vision x100 OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) Costs END (-1/2) 2x END (-1/2) 2 Enhanced Senses Radio Transmit and Listen OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) Costs END (-1/2) 2x END (-1/2) 2 Enhanced Senses Telescopic Vision -4 vs Range penalties OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) Costs END (-1/2) 2x END (-1/2) 2 Enhanced Senses Ultraviolet Vision OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) Costs END (-1/2) 2x END (-1/2) 6 Flight 5" OIF-Power Armor (-1/2) 152 20 Hunted- VIPER (More Pow, 11-) 10 Watched FBI (Witness Protection Program) (More Pow, NCI, 8-) 20 Normal Characteristic Maxima 15 Psych Lim Code vs Killing (Com, Strong) 15 Psych Lim Hatred of VIPER (Com, Strong) 5 Psych Lim Scientific Curiosity (Unc, Mod) 15 Psych Lim Vengeful (Com, Strong) 15 Secret ID (old life) 15 Secret ID (new life) Maxwell Barton 20 Vulnerability Electrical Attacks 2xSTUN, 2xBODY (Uncommon) 0 END 20(40) 150

Re: Fourth Edition Champions Part Dux-Finished product THE REPTILIAN 5 STR 25* 48 DEX 26 20 CON 20 6 BODY 15* -7 INT 3 10 EGO 15 5 PRE 15 -3 COM 4 7 PD 10 1 ED 5 24 SPD 6 REC 8 END 40 3 STUN 45 119 Movement Run 6" Swim 2" Other Flight 10" Points Powers/Talents/Skills 3 Acrobatics 14- 3 Ambidexterity 10 10pt Elemantal Control Lizard Powers 21 a. Armor +10rPD/+10rED Visible-Thick scaly hide (-1/4) 5 b. Flight 10" (20" NCM) OAF-Dragon Wings (-1) 7 c. Growth 10pts- (*) Indicates Char Adj 0 END (+1/2), Persistant (+1/2), Always On (-1/2) 15 d. Hand to Hand Killing Attack +1 1/2 d6 (3d6+1 total) 5 Enhanced Senses UV Vision 3 Enhanced Senses +1 to Perception 3 Extra Limbs Wings and Tail Nonmanipulative (-1/2) 4 Hand to Hand Attack +3d6 (8d6 total) OAF-Tail (-1) 0 Knockback Resistance -2" 40 Multiform "Sarah" (200 pts) 10 Regeneration 1 BODY per turn 2 Stretching 1" OAF-Tail (-1) 131 20 Berserk- When she drops below 1/2 her health (Common, 14-,14-) 25 Distinctive Features- Big Scary Lizard (Not Conceal, Ext Reac) 20 Hunted- VIPER (More Pow, 11-) 10 Phys Lim- Very little fine manipulation (Freq, Slightly) 10 Phys Lim- Can't talk (Freq, Slightly) 15 Psych Lim- Pack Mentality- Loyalty, safety and defense, unto death, of leaders and 'packmates' (Unc, Total) 30 Susceptability- Temperatures below 32 degrees F (Com, 3d6/phase) 20 Vulnerability- 2x STUN from Cold (Common) 150 SARAH 3 STR 13 39 DEX 23 6 CON 13 BODY 10 1 INT 11 10 EGO 15 3 PRE 13 3 COM 16 2 PD 5 1 ED 4 17 SPD 5 REC 6 100 END 26 1 STUN 25 86 Movement 4 Run 8" 3 Swim 5" Other Tunneling 5" 7 Points Powers/Talents/Skills 3 Breakfall 14- 3 Contortionist 14- 1 Fam w/Seduction 8- 3 Shadowing 11- 3 Stealth 14- 3 Survival 11- 3 Double Jointed 10 Clinging 10 Enhanced Senses Tracking Scent 5 Enhanced Senses UV Vision 6 Enhanced Senses +2 to Perception 20 Invisibility Normal Sight, Fringe 0 END (+1/2), Requires Skill Roll [stealth] (-1/2) 10 Regeneration 1 BODY per turn 15 Shrinking 10pts 0 END (+1/2), Persistant (+1/2), Always On (-1/2) 12 Tunneling 5 DEF 5"/Turn Extra time (-1) 107 20 Accidental Change Taking BODY (Com, 14-) 5 Distinctive Features- Tail (Easily Conceal, Not & Rec) 10 Distinctive Features- Lizard Skin and Slitted Eyes (Conceal, Not & Rec) 15 Psych Lim- Pack Mentality- Loyalty, safety and defense, unto death, of leaders and 'packmates' (Unc, Total) 10 Wealth Destitute 20 Vulnerability- 2x STUN from Cold (Common) 20 Hunted- VIPER (More Pow, 11-)

As promised I am posting the (mostly) finished character sheets for review/comment. Thanks for all the help with this, we finally had our first session last night and we are off to a rousing start. Still have an issue with The Barrister (Transfer guy from the original thread). I purchased his transfer ranged and usable by others, but I am not sure it works how he wants it to work yet. Does the range advantage bought on the power also cover the other advantage? IOW can he project his transferred points to an ally when projects the power at his victim yet? Or does he have to pay additional for that, in your opinion. I could go either way with it. The others are okay, though after last night I am expecting Reptilian would prefer being a Brick than a Blade so that may change. There is also another player starting next week.

Re: Fourth Edition Champions The character's SFX is that he is all about balances, taking from one to give to another. I think at this point for my own sanity and the player's physical safety, the PLAYER'S not the character's, I am making him a transfer Multipower, and just buying slots for the individual pieces. 3d6 usable by others and ranged should just about do it. now the only thing is fitting in the inanimate RKA/aid piece and the vampiric healing. Good news is the force wall guy is done now. Just need the player to spend 46 points on personal touches. Then I get to figure out the lizard chick. Crossbow :) :ugly: :p

Re: Fourth Edition Champions That will work, thanks. This is what I needed. I would do it as a transfer, but the feel isn't quite right.