Dr Divago Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 A question about Martial Arts: Tai Ch'i Ch'uan's strike say "STR+2d6, Must Follow Block" this mean: 1) i must declare Block (or abort to block); then i must block succesfully, then, in the same segment (or in next segment if aborted to block) i can use strike 2) i must declare Block (or abort to block); then i must block succesfully, then, in the next segment (or in second next segment if aborted to block) i can use strike 3) i must declare Strike, then i must wait for an incoming attack to use block, then i may use strike... 4) some other combination... thank you very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy_The_Ruthles Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block it may only be used in a phase after a block i belive so you block, then use the strike (it doesn't matter if you aborted to block or not, so long as you successfully blocked them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Black Lotus Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block It's a counterattack, Doctor. The reason is because Tai Chi Chu'an is a defensive martial art, and that sort of maneuver is representative of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Divago Posted July 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block It's a counterattack, Doctor. The reason is because Tai Chi Chu'an is a defensive martial art, and that sort of maneuver is representative of the system. So correct answer is 1) i must declare Block (or abort to block); then i must block succesfully, then, in the same segment (or in next segment if aborted to block) i can use strike?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Black Lotus Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block So correct answer is Yes, correct; anytime you Block and the Block succeeds, you may use the Tai Chi Strike in EDIT: your next Phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy_The_Ruthles Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block the Ultimate martial artist has more information on "must follow" manuvers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Black Lotus Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block Yeah, if there's any sourcebook I'd recommend that every HEROphile needs -- aside from FREd, of course -- it's UMA. The new Combat Handbook (sp?) may supercede UMA as the most vital sourcebook, though... we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ura-Maru Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block No, #1 isn't right. the closest to the correct answer is #2, but that's not really right, either. Assume you're speed 5. Someone attacks you in segment 3. You Block. It dosn't matter if you abort or not. In segmet 5, THEN you can use your following strike manuver. (Because you blocked, you're oppenent has to wait until your action and let you attack first before reacting, as well. They can abort to block, though . . .) That's why the stats on that manuver are so good . . . you can only use it in limited circumstances. You _don't_ get a 'free' attack in a segment you block in. Or after. Or at all. And you HAVE to block the phase before you use it. What I'm not sure of if you must _successfully_ block or not. I would say so, but after one embarassing incident where I assumed UMA would make sense, (passing strike) I'm not going to assume it does so without evidence. Aborting still uses your next phase. So if you abort to block in phase two, you can't use the followup strike until phase 5, because you used your phase 3 action during phase 2. --- "Now I'll show you the ultimate power humans can wield!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Black Lotus Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block No, #1 isn't right. the closest to the correct answer is #2, but that's not really right, either. Assume you're speed 5. Someone attacks you in segment 3. You Block. It dosn't matter if you abort or not. In segmet 5, THEN you can use your following strike manuver. (Because you blocked, you're oppenent has to wait until your action and let you attack first before reacting, as well. They can abort to block, though . . .) That's why the stats on that manuver are so good . . . you can only use it in limited circumstances. You _don't_ get a 'free' attack in a segment you block in. Or after. Or at all. And you HAVE to block the phase before you use it. What I'm not sure of if you must _successfully_ block or not. I would say so, but after one embarassing incident where I assumed UMA would make sense, (passing strike) I'm not going to assume it does so without evidence. Aborting still uses your next phase. So if you abort to block in phase two, you can't use the followup strike until phase 5, because you used your phase 3 action during phase 2. --- "Now I'll show you the ultimate power humans can wield!!" How is that different from #1? I may be missing something. Step 1: Opponent attacks you; you declare you want to Block, and successfully Block the attack. Step 2: In the next Phase of yours where you are able to take an Attack Action, you may use this Tai Chi Chu'an Strike maneuver. EDIT: As an Attack Action. Right? Isn't that about right? What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Divago Posted July 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block Step 2: In the next Phase of yours where you are able to take an Attack Action, you may use this Tai Chi Chu'an Strike maneuver. EDIT: As an Attack Action. Right? Isn't that about right? What am I missing? my #1 is assuming "in the next segment", not in "in the next phase you're allowed to take an Attack Action"... sorry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Black Lotus Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block my #1 is assuming "in the next segment", not in "in the next phase you're allowed to take an Attack Action"... sorry... Oh, OK. Yeah, I didn't think it was the next Segment... but sometimes I don't distinguish the difference between Phases and Segments when reading someone else's post. Beh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block Yeah. That "Counterstrike" maneuver in the UMA is one of the best maneuvers for pts in the book. Why? Because it gives +2OCV and +2DCV and +2D6N damage, all for only 4pts! And since its used the phase after a successful block, the character gets to act before the blocked enemy, even if the enemy has a higher Dex. A great move when faced by multiple opponents is to spend 1 phase blocking. Block each opponent once, then on your next phase, Sweep Counterstrike. You get to attack before every enemy you blocked and because of the +2OCV bonus, you get an extra "hit" in the sweep and the +2DCV bonus makes you harder to hit if you miss anytime during the sweep! Good stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block You could also make it really simple and consider this a Sweep with one Block and one Strike. In this case you could only do it with a Held Action, not an Abort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block You could also make it really simple and consider this a Sweep with one Block and one Strike. In this case you could only do it with a Held Action' date=' not an Abort.[/quote'] technically that is a rules violation, except for an optional use for Two Weapon Fighting. Of course, I'm the last one to tell people not to violate the rules, since I do that routinely, so yes, its a very viable option to allow this. I do in certain genres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Strike: must follow block technically that is a rules violation, except for an optional use for Two Weapon Fighting. Of course, I'm the last one to tell people not to violate the rules, since I do that routinely, so yes, its a very viable option to allow this. I do in certain genres. I'm not sure it is technically a violation. The book specifically says different maneuvers may be combined with the GM's permission. I forget the exact example given in the book, but I believe it is something like combining a Legsweep with a Martial Disarm. I don't see that this is a lot different. Maybe you could even consider it a Multi-Power Attack and use the same attack roll for the Block and Strike, but I seem to recall there are rules explicitly stating you can't put Block in a MPA (maybe in the FAQ if not the book). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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