Guest bblackmoor Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? Judaism indeed has Lucifier (Satan) The "Lucifer" referred to in Isaiah is the King of Babylon. (Read the passage in context: it's pretty obvious.) Judaism does not have a "Devil" or capital-S "Satan" who acts in opposition to Jehovah: it does have angels who perform the task of "adversary" (which is what the Hebrew word "satan" means), challenging or testing mortals at the behest of Jehovah, such as in Job. All angels in Judaism are obedient servants of Jehovah. These are also mortal adversaries who are referred to as "satan", such as in Zechariah. That all being said, while I am comfortable discussing real world mythology, not everyone is capable (or willing) to do so with respect (q.v., the reference to "SAN rolls"). If we can't discuss people's beliefs respectfully, perhaps we should not discuss them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? Eh.. Not speaking for any other Christian groups but us Lutherans sees the devil as the rebellious angel who for his arrogance and treason got stuck with the crappiest job in the universe. He has no power beyond what God gives him. I think most Christian religions have sort of the same belief that Judaism when it comes to old hoof-foot. Off course I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? There are two schools of thought on political correctness- 1) You either believe that others should be forced to be politically correct, thus condemning individuality and reducing creativity to the lowest common denominators. 2) You take on board the fact the people have different personalities, and you modify your own political correctness to the level of tolerance. Ergo - you respect others beliefs that they can be disrepectful as part of their personality, and will expect them to behave that way, and tolerate it. Plus, I'm Aussie - and we're famous for making fun of everything. That being said - I do actually prefer Judaism over Christianity because it has less logical plot holes concerning an omnipotent diety. Speaking as an athiest, of course (which I hope you respect, but understand if you mock). The idea that an ultimate diety both causes good and evil makes more sense to me, than an ultimate diety that is opposed by a lesser being, which they appear to be unwilling or unable to stop or mitigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? What was that all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? Three paragraphs too long of unwritten ethical concepts few actually even think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphym Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? There are two schools of thought on political correctness- 1) You either believe that others should be forced to be politically correct, thus condemning individuality and reducing creativity to the lowest common denominators. 2) You take on board the fact the people have different personalities, and you modify your own political correctness to the level of tolerance. Ergo - you respect others beliefs that they can be disrepectful as part of their personality, and will expect them to behave that way, and tolerate it. Plus, I'm Aussie - and we're famous for making fun of everything. That being said - I do actually prefer Judaism over Christianity because it has less logical plot holes concerning an omnipotent diety. Speaking as an athiest, of course (which I hope you respect, but understand if you mock). The idea that an ultimate diety both causes good and evil makes more sense to me, than an ultimate diety that is opposed by a lesser being, which they appear to be unwilling or unable to stop or mitigate. The ultimate deity does not cause evil, man or spirits do (i.e. devils). God allows evil, he doesn't cause it. If you read the position statement about Judaism above, you will see that Jews teach God causes evil through his angels. The actual position you are against is the Jewish position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? Ah! I stand corrected. That's what happens if you learn about a religion by just talking to a random member of it, who may or may not have all the data about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? Ah! I stand corrected. That's what happens if you learn about a religion by just talking to a random member of it' date=' who may or may not have all the data about it.[/quote'] But that is the same thing I said. And how does those three paragraphs about ethics have anything with the reply I gave you? I really don't understand please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? Nothing at all to do with your replies. I was referring to bblackmoor's predeliction for cover=book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bblackmoor Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? I was referring to bblackmoor's predeliction for cover=book. No, you were just babbling. Don't blame me for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufea Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? That too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Re: Clerical magic? So you were not talking to me then I got confused there for a minute, no worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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