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Agent X

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  1. Re: Sixth Edition Showcase #1: ACV And AVAD

     

    I'm getting too old and too lazy to want to do a lot of retooling. The whole notion of adding more letters to short-hand tags like ECV turning into... whatever.

     

    For me, there is that added hurdle beyond simply if I like the rules changes. It's also am I motivated to learn a substantial amount of new rules and new jargon. I dunno.

  2. Re: CHAR: Thor. (Marvel Style)

     

    I don't think it's fair to point out the greatest feat a character has ever performed and use that as a standard for the build. Thor may have "lifted a mountain" at some point in his career (I thought it was the Hulk who did that, though, and in the better-off-ignored Secret Wars no less), but he certainly doesn't use that kind of strength in 99.9% of his fights in the comics.

     

    Just sayin'.

    Thor definitely performs feats of strength far outstripping the OHOTMU routinely enough to laugh at the notion that there is some 100-200 ton barrier for him.
  3. Re: SPD Standards

     

    Well' date=' I knew I was making a smart aleck remark, but the question I asked was serious. Ultimately, I'm wondering what Spidy as actually done, and where if it matters, that leads some players into believing he needs an AE Selective attack. I don't really have the resources to run out and collect 20 years of back issues and they haven't put it in a trade paperpack that I know of.[/quote'] Check out The Essential Spider-Man vol. 1 and you can read the first few years of his stories in Amazing Fantasy and Amazing Spider-Man.

     

    Peter Parker is a genius from the beginning. He also can sew. ;)

    He's the guy who comes up with web-shooters and the webbing that gets shot. Why? Because he sees a need for them... and he's in high school.

     

    He's also gifted in biology, enough to help out Dr. Connors once in a while.

     

    He's also mature enough to help pay the bills as a photographer.

     

    And very early on, he's demonstrated the ability to run circles around the Fantastic Four if not actually defeat them.

     

    That's what I can think of without looking anything up.

  4. Re: SPD Standards

     

    Everybody can pick their own Spiderman I suppose. No I haven't read them, I've only read bits and pieces of the Amazing Spiderman, watched the cartoon and seen the movies. While I know that's not everything Spiderman, I feel it's an accurate representation of who and what the character is.

     

     

    So basically, you're saying that in the first few appearances of Spiderman, he went Death Blossom with the webshooters while moving and maintaining full defensive capability on a regular enough basis to warrent an AE Selective ability? Now I haven't read a lot of the comics, but I never saw anything like this or even anything that would even inspire it. I'm not saying it wasn't there, I'm just doubting.

    No, that's not what I'm saying but you do get credit for making a smart aleck response if that is what you were hoping for.
  5. Re: Has HERO achieved maximum desirable complexity?

     

    I think one of the things that has added complexity is trying to make regeneration into an aid and the like. Sometimes special powers that are fairly narrowly defined increase playability rather than decrease it.

     

    6th Edition should probably consider this and more attention to playability rather than one perspective on rules "consistency" should be the standard.

     

    That I can build virtually anything with HERO with advantages and limitations doesn't mean that my goal is to have a long character sheet. For common power concepts there isn't any real reason to avoid having a special power - Instant Change, Regeneration, Damage Shield w/o the convolutions.

  6. Re: SPD Standards

     

    You are kidding right?

     

    AE Selective webshooters? What ever happened to a simple use of Rapid Fire? And what Skills? The kid's, well a kid. He has a coupla Science Skills, Acrobatics, Stealth and Breakfall and PS: Photography. What else does he have? Really?

     

    To clarify, I am starting starting character here. Not the god of all spidermen - red and blue icon he became in later comics. I'm talking the guy played by Toby McGuire in the recent films, the Spidy from the 80s cartoon. The Spiderman that everybody knows and will recognize.

    Apparently you haven't read the first few appearances of Spider-Man or you are pretending they don't exist - I don't know which.
  7. Re: Eating your lunch...

     

    For what it's worth:

     

    I thought that stan da ork's "filth" opinion was unnecessarily derogatory. But that's very much the exception around here, generally and for him in particular.

     

    I thought that MitchellS's reaction to it was unnecessarily harsh. But that's very much the exception around here, generally and for him in particular.

     

    I have seen fairly extreme reactions posted on these forums about some games, including HERO itself. But that's very much the exception around here, particularly in contrast to some other gaming forums that I visit, such as RPGnet.

     

    I remember a few years back when a newcomer to HERO came onto the boards with the fervor of a new convert, praising HERO while contrasting it with D20 in pretty negative terms. A series of responding posters chided him (pretty calmly overall IMO) for running down another game and the people who played it, to the point where he protested that he was being persecuted for loving HERO. That's something I personally have yet to see on another gaming forum. (I could dig up the specific thread if anyone needs to see it.)

     

    I've found the HERO online community to be generally calm, reasonable and open to dissenting opinions, as far as such communities go. There are certainly exceptions, but they're a long, long way from being the rule. I'm afraid I don't really see the benefit in generalizing about any of these communities based on a few aberrant examples. :)

    I have to disagree with you conclusion concerning MitchellS. He has disparaged the HERO community consistently. This is nothing new. That it is part of a continuing trend is why I will report his post.
  8. Re: Is Hero too preditable?

     

    Not using a bell curve for damage classes could be a bit problematic if you are using autofire attacks, rapid fire attacks, and the like.

     

    There is a reason why I think any Munchkin worth his salt should understand the wonderful(?) exploits one can make of autofire 3 rkas.

  9. Re: SPD Standards

     

    You can build a version of Spider-Man that tries to get the spirit of the character on 350 points but you won't be building a character that comes very close to what Spider-Man can actually do.

     

    Spider-Man's speed needs to be compared to other supers, not simply normals.

  10. Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists

     

    OK- First off if we're going to have people like Captain America (superpowered! Super soldier serume) then we should have Spider-man. Spidey could whoop the Captain any day of the week. (He's basically military trained- all martial' date=' no art[/b']- same with Fury and Punisher)

    Going for characters who rely on skill rather than Strength/Powers, heres my list.

     

    I have to wonder if you've studied martial arts when you make this statement. I fail to see the distinction you are trying to make.
  11. Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists

     

    Ummm' date=' actually, the recent MARVEL KNIGHTS run by Chuck Dixon had Shang pulling off a Cassandra Cain-style Matrix-time bullet sidestep (again in clear stop-motion), so he'd be DQ'ed too.[/quote'] I don't want to know this. It might infect my mind and distract me from all the goodness that was The Master of Kung Fu.
  12. Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists

     

    Well, throwing things at Iron Fist is usually a complete waste of time...

     

    From POWER MAN & IRON FIST #50:

     

    http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3839/grsp30co.jpg

    I'd say Bullseye is higher on the food chain than those jobbers.

     

    I love PM&IF and, if that's the only reference, Iron Fist doesn't match up with Cap. If he's had a power up since Marvel Discontinuity (the 1990s) started - I wouldn't likely know nor care.

     

    So Enforcer84, if you're listening - my ranking was based on my bias toward the Silver and Bronze Age and my bias against Frank Miller.

  13. Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists

     

    I wouldn't put Strange in the top 10. Not sure about the top 25. Not sure how many stories Mantis proves ineffectual in' date=' but she did one punch Thor. Much of the ineffectual stuff I believe is a plot device. So in the Defenders comic where Strange hit Mantis, it more to show that Strange is trained in Martial Arts rather than he is on par with Mantis.[/quote'] See, I'd turn that around. Much of the effectual stuff is a plot device. Mantis just plain sucked.
  14. Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists

     

    I just don't see it. Sure' date=' he's a good fighter ... he even made my list. But I just don't see him that high up. If that's the case, there should be several others that should hit the list like Hawkeye (who was trained by Cap), US Agent (who has most of the same training) and Tony Stark (who's trained with Cap).[/quote'] I see it. I've read enough Marvel to see it. It's all over the Avengers, Captain America, and for old-timers like me - the stories in Marvel Team-UP and Marvel 2n1 with Cap teaming up with Spidey or the Thing. An earlier example I used was Cap's defeat of Aquarian, a guy with a "null" field around him. Cap used an Aikido thumb lock on him.

     

    Cap is mighty. Just because he's white and not obsessed with East Asian philosophy doesn't change what's been written and drawn about him.

     

    And Hawkeye is a very, very good HTH fighter.

  15. Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists

     

    Not so much...Dr. Strange got in one hit but then had to make with the magic to take down Mantis. This happened in Defenders vol. 1 #9 during the Avengers/Defenders War.

     

    1. Mantis/Moondragon (they had the same training)

    2. Cap

    3. Shang Chi

    4. Iron Fist

    5. Black Panther

    6. Daredevil

    7. Black Widow/Falcon/Moon Knight

    8. Nick Fury/Red Skull/Electra

    9. Mockingbird/Night Thrasher

    10.Punisher

    Would you put Dr. Strange in the top 10 or 25 of martial artists? And he got a hit on Mantis who you put in as #1? And Mantis proves ineffectual in how many stories?
  16. Re: Marvel's Best Martial Artists

     

    Captain America is getting short-changed here on "style" points. I know he wears a flag-suit but he's still depicted as the master of martial arts, just not any East Asian philosophy that some folks would lump in with it.

     

    Shang Chi is getting lots of points for "looking the part" but he just simply doesn't rate over Captain America if you've read the stories - unless things have changed in the last ten years or so.

     

    Iron Fist is losing points for having a gimmick and for being white but he's trained just as hard and long as Shang Chi and has been exposed to just as much and likely more East Asian mysticism.

     

    Karnak is losing points for evidently being more obscure than I realized he was. The guy abstained from the Terrigen Mists and chose to hone his martial arts to the point that he can sense weaknesses in just about anything. He can tussle with the Thing with the kind of martial arts he has without an Iron Fist OR a one-of-a-kind Shield.

  17. Re: Don't Buy Everything In a Good Story (Topic: Supers and the Law)

     

    No, it's not plausible.

     

    Neither is superstrength, stretchy powers, or (standard super jab)...

     

     

    It _feels_ right, however. It feels right that those bastards who sue at the drop of a hat would do that, they would bite the hand that punches supervillains out for them.

     

    Indeed, given that volunteer firefighters get sued...

     

     

    Incidently, I like this rationalization, if you have to have one:

     

    The lawsuits began a bit after Buddy (that was his name, right?) got rejected. It took a while to sink in... and in that time supervillains still were under pressure from still active heroes. And it probably was a lull anyway.

     

    And then he'd started his testing programs, and suddenly the greedy and/or gullible supervillains just started mysteriously vanishing... and the smart ones too, albeit for a different reason.

     

     

    ...at least for what it covers.

     

     

     

    But honestly? It's not something that needs explaining. It's something that loses its power if it gets explained. Superman does not need to be a psionic, innate powers do not need to be linked to the same gene, and magic doesn't have to have rules, _it's magic_.

     

    Superheroes disappeared. And it was the fault of stupid, greedy, ungrateful people, and ONLY their fault. And there's a good reason for why it worked... _and it doesn't matter what that reason was_.

    Yes, that works well for a movie. I don't think it works well for a supers campaign.
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