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Re: Longest Running Thread EVER
So, different subject. Watched Wheel of Fortune for the first time in at least 15 years tonight. Vanna White? Still hawt.
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Re: Costume fixation (Get your mind out of the gutter)
I'm a fan of Thor's costume, I also like Batman's and Spawn's.
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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever
Spider-Man totally pwns Firelord! LOLOLOL!!11OMGWTF?1?1?1 No joon00b Firelord wud totalee rock teh Spiderwuss
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Re: Mjolnir
Maybe Thanos has some kind of power fluxuation problem' date=' a mid life hormonal change deal. He's embarassed about it. So, everytime some bush league punk takes him down, next time he shows up he declares "Dudes, totally wasn't me! Thanosbot!"[/quote']Aww Thanos is it that 'Thanosbot' time of the month?
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Re: Mjolnir
I kinda have to with ChuckG on this one' date=' though, re: Thanos' power level. Thor did beat down Thanos, but he gathered together all his other magical weapons (strength-doubling belt, special gloves) and had the dwarves build him that uber-protection shield to be able to do it. Firelord may have helped, too.[/quote']All is true but Firelord, he went down like a sack of po-ta-toes(Said in best Samwise voice.).
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Re: Mjolnir
Actually, it's *not* -- given that Thor was able to use Mjolnir to cut Juggernaut off from his power source later.Where Thor erred lay in matching himself against Cytorrak's *strongest* point (resistance to physical damage), instead of matching his strength vs. Juggernaut's weakness. He's the Juggernaut, being physically invulnerable with a capital "I" is his *thing*. Thor simply found a way around that, not directly through it.
That's legitimate.
Chuck is right, also remember that Thor had theat 'sickness' on him during the fight that kept coming up at very bad times as sick feelings are apt to do. Thor went after Juggs in a physical manner, had he looked at it more outside of the box it would have been easy to just cut him off, as he later did.
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Re: Mjolnir
I thought that was Thor #25 or so of his second run. It was Thanos and Mangog' date=' I thought.[/quote']It freaking is Mangog, thank you. The trimming villian doesn't matter Thanos was the big fish. Although I wasn't sure it was Kurse myself, as evidenced by my original post. Time to break out the Thor stuff tonight methinks.
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Re: Mjolnir
To my mind' date=' you can't separate Mjolnir's magic from its physicality. The more determined Thor gets, the more artists draw magical effects around it. Thor doesn't think "Hmm, I'd better charge my hammer up with magic lightning." He just wails away on the bad guy and the hammer does its thing. I disagree with Busiek on that point.[/quote']Always seemed to be subconscious to me as well.
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Re: Mjolnir
No' date=' it was that way since daddy finally passed on and let him inherit the Odinpower, which was another arc entirely and eventually led to the stupidest ending of a THOR series ever.
[/quote']I haven't read it recently so its good what you said is not true.
Nope, not true, not at all, nope...okay thanks bye.
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Re: Mjolnir
Theoretically' date=' Thor can win pretty much every fight just by dimensionally teleporting you. He also has the ability to have Mjolnir drain the life force from even cosmically powerful beings. Although, nobody ever seems to remember Superman has Flash level superspeed, too.
[/quote']Its what he did to Juggernaught.
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Re: Mjolnir
Note, we have a scene later of the real Thanos assaulting Asgard -- and he fought Odin to a draw.Odin.
Thanos, him not shabby.
When Thor hits overdrive he is the Odinson, he has daddy's powers. Its been that way since he was allowed to return to Asgard. Moreso more recently as well since Odin has gotten 'sick' he has even greater access, just in case.
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Re: Mjolnir
Catacomb -- Not kidding in the slightest bit, about either the Thanos-clones ("My own unique blend of clone, android, and mystical doppelganger") or about the Ka-zar thing.To get rid of 'Thanos vs. Ka-zar, Thanos loses', I will accept Thanosbots. The alternative is just too sanity-blasting to contemplate.
(But Squirrel Girl still legitimately kicked his ***!
)It was just so cool seeing Firelord and Thor chase down Thanos and Kurse, and Kurse grinding Thor's face onto those sharp rocks while Thanos gave his victory speech, and then Thor crossed that second line...oh man I loved it. Especially when Thor sent Thanos reeling and Thanos was genuinely suprised, was good stuff, good writing. Damnit, Thanos bot crap...gibble...gobble...blah!
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Re: Mjolnir
Ummm, IIRC that wasn't Thanos -- it was a Thanosbot.... yes, Starlin invented Thanosbots in a retcon later on to explain away several of Thanos' less impressive showings. (See INFINITY ABYSS).
I know, I know, it's very sad, but how else are you going to get rid of crap like Thanos supposedly jobbing to Ka-freakin'-Zar, of all people? (They did that too, once... ow, my poor thinking organs!)
You're f'n kidding me? That was a great freaking fight too.
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Re: Mjolnir
Wait a sec....Now I dig my main shakespearean man, more than Big Blue, btw, but there are no other enchantments to unlock on Mjolnir. We've seen the list of enchantments Odin put on the hammer. If you mean his Unfettered Might attack, I think it's jobbing Thor to assume that it's based in his weapon and not the fact that he's, ya know, a god and all.
Iarn Greiper allows him to use the hammer regardless of how much energy he channels though it. It's more like a set of armor than a power conduit. As for Megingarder and his strength, sure it doubles it, but so what? That's only +5 active points.
More seriously, it's almost ridicuous to talk about strength when post crisis "weak" superman has the great pyramid of cheops listed as his lift capacity (2 million stones, average weight, 2 tons each, 4 MILLION tons....). Doubling at the levels we're talking about is almost a non-issue for both combatants.I have a question for chuckg though, I can't recall Thor ever charging the hammer with magic and then whacking someone with it, out side of the Unfettered Might haymaker of the Apocalypse. I've seen him shoot numerous pure magical blasts through it, but not charge and smack. Has he done that?
Uhhh you're wrong there, the gaunts help him channel the greater power of Mjolnir that he is unable to use without them. First time I remember them being used was when he fought Kurse while the Beyonder had souped up his powers. The gaunts allow Thor to use more of his powers than he could without them and more than one time has this been set forth.
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Re: Mjolnir
The Thanos incident' date=' also the Power Gem + Warriors' Madness thing. Normally, Thanos laughs Thor off. (Then again, that's no shame -- Thanos normally laughs off things that would put the Silver Surfer in the coma ward, he's just plain ridiculous that way.)[/quote']No, I'm talking about sans power gem, I'll find the issues when I get home, but it was Thor, and Firelord vs.(I'm wanting to say Kurse) and Thanos. Thor broke out the gaunts and belt and gave him a whoopin' big time. Thanos even made the comment 'Ah Odinson I see you have finally come prepared to fight me, it is about time you learned I am not one of those terran bound insects you play with so often and seem to care so much for.'
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Re: Mjolnir
Umm' date=' note, Adam Warlock usually smokes Thor -- even pissed-off Thor -- fairly regularly, it took 'Thor with Warriors' Madness *and* the Power Gem' to make Adam Warlock do the crying thing. This goes beyond even "Ultron, I would have words with thee." Just a detail. The rest of what you said, 99% accurate.[/quote']Yeah that's right, I had forgotten that. Remember though Adam Warlock is an odd duck and Thor rarely knows what to expect. By that I mean Thor usually comes in not even expecting to fight, and yet...there it goes.
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Re: Mjolnir
The way it was written up in one of the old "Who's who" journals was something like this: "Superman has no greater defense against magical effects/attacks than a normal human."So I take that to mean that Mjolnir hits Supes Invulnerability. After all, we know what all of the enchantments are on the hammer, and not one of them increases damage. It doesn't need it. This thing is swung around be a guy who was at the center of a forming planet and managing to keep himself from being crushed by sheer muscle power (Thor vs. the Celestials, no issue reference as I don't remember honestly). So if you have a sword enchanted to cut through anything, Supes is in trouble as the spell is designed to counteract his invulnerability. Since Mjolnir does not have a "Greater Bashy!" enchantment, he will, as Chuckg said, go "Ow, that freakin' hurt!" but not scream as limbs are crushed instantly to powder.
I'll also agree that depending on the writer, laziness will creep in and suddenly vampires can pierce his skin (May you rot in the nether realms Mister Byrne, you lazy hack) and anything that had a Nystul's magic aura waved near it at some point can suddenly pwn Supes with ease. But then again....
Could he beat Firelord?
With that logic Thor could just fry supes with magic, and it really wouldn't be hard. Everyone forgets just how powerful Thor really is because Thor essentailly plays with kid gloves all of the time. Yes I know Superman does as well, but I don't know it its to the same extent. Thor has beaten, and I mean trashed Thanos in a fight toe to toe and Thanos is a galactically powerful uber-villian. Alot of that has to do with the fact that Thor knows Thanos can take, and give, a punch. Also remember that Thor has three levels of power that have been pretty neatly defined.
Regular Thor - Normal power level. Rarely uses Mjolnir to whack someone although will use it often to hit other objects, most notably projectiles. Never uses the blasts that Mjolnir is capable of and doesn't use his weather control powers(Which BTW make Storm's look sad).
"I say thee nay!" Thor - Ramping it up, he's pissed and he's letting you know. Alot of times storms rise up just to show you his mood and he uses Mjolnir alot more, particularly his choke smack whcih most people do not get up from. This is the level of power he goes to when someone around him is hurt, but not necessarily mortally, also he goes to this when he's had enough of a fight. Its rarely not enough.
"Ultron, we would have words with thee." Thor- Quite simply this version has never been beaten. This level of power has felled a celestial, this level of power has dropped Thanos, this level of power has put an unholy beating on Ultron, this level of power has made Adam Warlock cry like a girl, and this level of power is rarely, rarely, rarely used. In addition to this rank of power Thor has two items of magic he can use. His belt, which doubles his strength, and his gauntlets which help him 'unlock' more of the powers of Mjolnir, it also give him more access to the 'well of the all father', meaning he has more godly powers much like Odin.
Supes runs up against the second he's in for a world of hurt because Thor is willing to use his magic at that level. Supes runs up against the third he's done. That level of power makes Thor one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe, not just heroes. Supes is nasty, don't get me wrong, but when you're talking high end, and you have to in this siutation, Thor has got him.
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Re: Mjolnir
My take on the issue remains the same as it has always been. I wrote this about a year ago.
...I guarantee that DC writers and Marvel writers got together and said. "Alright you can't make Spidey, Wolverine, or Cap look bad and We can't Make Batman, Superman or WonderWoman get egg on their face. Agreed? Agreed. hrumph, hrumph, hrumph, hrumph..."
Simply put you will make your Golden Goose look good in that situation. Thor's not a bankable 'frontline' Marvel property but Superman is the definition of that for DC. Just the way the industry is...
Thus Supes wins, always.
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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever
Yes I have read the story, it still does not preclude it from the crossover phenominon. I'm sticking to my guns on this one, in house or out of company crossovers have a way of leaving the bounds of normalcy for the titles involved.
Hell during the excecutioners song there was a panel where Bishop Cable and Wolvie are fighting a bunch of Stryffe's baddies and Bishop asks Wolverine if he's okay. Know what Logan's reply was?
"Yeah I just broke a rib or two..."
X writers wrote it, the crossover was only X titles, and yet, there it was something outside the norm of what happened in the day to day issues.
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More seriously, it's almost ridicuous to talk about strength when post crisis "weak" superman has the great pyramid of cheops listed as his lift capacity (2 million stones, average weight, 2 tons each, 4 MILLION tons....). Doubling at the levels we're talking about is almost a non-issue for both combatants.
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Re: WWYCD?: You Shall Be Mine, My Love...
Use her to draw him out without her knowledge. Defeat him with my teammates, then allow him to escape 'oops!'. I'd then trail him to his lair/ bachelor pad/ shrine to said female character and off him.
One less villian to worry about.