Kirby

Re: Help with team name

Ok, some more information as requested.

 

Their main goal right now seems to be to make New Aukland a better place for everyone and to find out what CHESS is up too.

 

Also personality wise:

Hmm, well, is CHESS going to be a regular menace in your campaign city? If so, maybe a chess-related name like Gambit, with their base called the Rook.

Maybe a semi-silly name that relates to CHESS and homelessness: Pawnbrokers. And just because Checkmate is taken, doesn't mean you can't use it in your own game. I humbly admit that I made a character called Checkmate (in the same Dark Champions game we played; he was my second character after my first one died), based off the DC comic title itself. He was expensive, but worth it!

One additional suggestion is to have your news reporter(s) go through a list of names that you like (calling them 'team a' at one report, 'team b' the second, etc.) until they choose their own. Of course, if they are noncomittal and don't create one of their own, just go with the one you like and keep using it over and over until they do something about it.

Re: Help with team name

The Campaign is located in New Aukland Virginia,....

You know some hotshot reporter throw out a name and have it stick. Any Ideas along those lines?

Um, the Virginians. If they're liked of course (also, a play off of The Virginian).

As for the press/reporter throwing out the name, that's how our DC group caught on to the Counterforce name. The reporter went something like, "A new group of heroes has shown up as a counter force to the [villain group]'s recent crime spree." She then went on to ask who were these people and if anyone had their names to contact the station.

After that, the mayor of the city invited our group to a "private" reception (i.e. only the rich and high class were present) where we were thanked. Of course, the local villain group showed up and both figuratively and literally crashed the party. We captured them after much ado. If only it were that simple when Card Shark's organization took the reins.

Re: Help with team name

Hi Guys,

 

I have a new party playing in a well established world and city. All of the players are new to Champions. The party is having a great deal of trouble naming their group, and I would like help.

 

We might also be getting a fifth member named Cobalt who is, more-or-less, a Green Lantern clone who needs no ring.

A group name we had in a Dark Champions game that seems a bit appropriate here is Counterforce.

As for Cobalt, that was the name of my GL Guy Gardner clone!

Good luck on the team name, and let us know what you choose!

Re: Help with a Villain Name - Laser Tag?

So, what if one of the very worst of these actually got ahold of a real laser gun, and decided to turn to crime. I think the evil "jock" personality could work out really well.

 

But I need a name!

 

Okay, the floor is open.

Well, it sounds like you've been given some good names that are specific to the laser aspect. However, if you don't want the name to necessarily reflect the power, but the attitude, I have two that you could use. I've had these names ready for quite some time, but never made a villain for them.

Mr. Meaner

Miss Demeaner, or Miss Demeanor or (if she's British) Miss Demeanour.

These are play on words from misdemeanor, of course. Though, I do like the original offers also.

Blah, blah, blah.

Oh my goodness, I made it from the beginning to the end of this thred in one day!

Guys, I think anyone arguing with Wanderer now is just pointless; he's close-minded to the idea that he or his friends can be wrong. From going through these posts, my best guess is that Wanderer is a late-teen European (probably eastern Europe) male. Either he is still in high school or barely graduated and has no college classroom experience. He is very much in a rebellion and idealistic stage of his life and extreme in his views.

Most of the reasoning behind this group is to stop corrupt people (he's mentioned murderers, rapists, child molesters, polluters, whalers, corrupt courts, bad politicians, etc.). He claims his game is in shades of grey, and yet everyone is either right or wrong. His team is acting because no one else in the world supposedly is. He and his friends want to live out a fantasy that they know will never happen. Almost every time he argues why his heroes are right, he goes back to people supporting slavery in the past as part of his justification. (This guy also thinks you don't split your forces in combat, what an idot.)

Most of what Wander claims to be wrong deals with either the United States (and always because of President Bush, somehow), Asia and Africa. Europe apparently is not corrupt.

These world rulers of his are always benign except when dealing with criminals. They never kill innocents (mainly because no one is in his game) and always know what is going on in the situation. They impose themselves upon the world and then say "we're here if you need us; just call."

Wanderer has no concept of how the real world is; just his delusional state. He claims that his heroes can fix the world's problems, yet he doesn't even understand why they exist. One of his arguments deals with courts. Apparently, since over 100 countries have their court systems in scandal, his small group (10 at the most?) of heroes will take over responsibility of the courts and give verdicts, and the courts will never become back-logged under his small group.

Almost all businesses create some form of pollution and his small group will destroy them all so they can no longer do that; he doesn't realize this will create pollution and damage the environment. His group will somehow find the ultimate power source that doesn't endanger anything ever. His small group will change the world, even when they couldn't accomplish this in one country.

His PCs also have no repercussions, no consequences for their actions. His campaign is a complete "Monty Haul/munchkin" game based on eco-terroristic holier-than-thou ideas with the facade of being a justifiable challenging campaign. He thinks exactly like his friends do and so this is a free-for-all, do what you wish game. He isn't as much of a GM as he is a yes-man to his players.

Even if we took the amazing leap to say that everyone on Earth (six BILLION people, mind you) agreed to let these people be the rulers, in one day their system would buckle and collapse. There is no way that they could handle every problem on the planet. We have over 6,000 years of recorded history stating that this hasn't happened, and this kid thinks he can solve it with a handful of super beings?

If we were more realistic and said the whole world passively resisted, how could his group stop them all? They couldn't. Also, the following villain groups would strategize -even if separately- to destroy them: Anarchy, VIPER, Eurostar, VOICE, DEMON, WITCH (who wants males ruling the world?), COIL, Dr. Destroyer, etc.

My suggestion: Don't respond to this thread any more, I won't. Just because Wanderer gets in the last word doesn't mean he's right, it could mean 1:he's being ignored; 2; no one cares, 3;no one's listening to his fallacy.

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

You'd need a comic-book tech MegaScale anti-gravity generator... which is always possible' date=' this being the Champions U... to make the scenario work. But a "World's Strongest Man" convention? I just don't see how either the #'s or the logistics are remotely workiable.[/quote']

Good answer, good answer!

 

However, let's look at another possibility: Pulleys! And don't forget, no one man could lift a block that built the pyramid, and yet, people were paid and pyramids were made. How about this: The first obstacle is underwater breathing for bricks that can't, so we take care of that (such as SCUBA or something). But then you get a mentalist 'brick' or one that has a TK with an area effect that covers the island. The other bricks are in effect spotting, just like when working out at the gym. There are *lots* of bricks that have 60+ strength to lighten the load. (After all, I cannot lift a car by myself, but get a group of buddies around a car and we can do it - and we don't even have 20 strength!) Also, bricks that are in Stronghold can be required for community service. Grond with his 90 strength (and can't he breath in water, also?) would really ease some of the strain. The only two bricks villains I can think of that would *not* be recommended (assuming they were captured) would be Durak and Amok.

 

Of course, if he's going to put anti-grav devices on it, can't they use those in the water as well? Just lift the island up about three feet more than the size of the anti-grav devices (10 feet minimum, please) and take it from there. The big problem then would be following it into space and keeping it on track.

New adventure: While the island is rising, someone comes by or a group of someones come by (another nation's naval or air force planes, Destroyer and/or followers, villains who want it for themselves, heroes who think it's too dangerous to exist, etc.) and start either attacking the escorts (if they want to take it over) or start blasting anti-grav devices. Sooner or later, the island tips, tottles and falls back, crashing into the ocean and breaking up, causing "minor" tidal waves. If it crashes into relatively shallow water, it may cause seismic waves (aka tsunamis).

 

Remember, don't say "No, it can't be done," say "It's going to be very difficult."

Re: Suggestions? Telepathic PCs just captured VIPER agent

> So in your campaigns, every time a hero captures a villain, they have to

> let them call a lawyer?

 

If they're sanctioned heroes, yes.

 

If I'm running a superhero game, as opposed to a vigilante game, then my superheroes will damn well act like ethical law enforcers or else they will find out what happens when you act like an *un*-ethical one.

Well, you know, I had to back and look, but this isn't your game, it's The Horror's. His post went something like this:

How do I handle this without giving away too much info? I can just give the guy high levels of Mental Defence, but I know that this will likely happen time and time again - it might be stretching it a bit if all captured guys have 20 points in Mental Defence. I don't have a problem with them finding out a fair amount of info, but certain things would be out of the question (like the nest location). It's just too early on in the campaign for that.

 

Maybe he doens't know where the nest is? Maybe he swallows a cyanide tablet? Maybe his mind was wiped? Any suggestions? How do I do this without stretching credibility? Like I say, I'm specially worried because I see this happening time and time again.

Your posts have been pretty much what's done in your campaign with implications that we would need to follow them to be appropriate. We're trying to help The Horror out without ruining the moment, much less the campaign. I don't recall The Horror mentioning his heroes being *sanctioned,* as if it's a requirement.

I personally would like to get back to the topic of the thread and help The Horror out until he tells us that we've helped enough.

Re: Suggestions? Telepathic PCs just captured VIPER agent

[quote=Chuckg"You interrogated someone for three hours without allowing him access to his lawyer? Mr. Viper Agent, did you waive right to counsel?"

"Hell no!"

"The jury will disregard (blah, blah, blah )

> What evidence is there of telepathy?

In a superhero universe? Lots.

So in your campaigns, every time a hero captures a villain, they have to let them call a lawyer? No one is allowed to question villains without lawyers present? Is this a superhero genre or a police genre? When flying or teleporting, must you stop at stop signs? Or do you just use this against mentalists?

I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. What examples are there of telepathy that the legal system has? How does the VIPER agent *prove* telepathy was used against him? Now, I haven't read comics in over five years, but I don't recall any criminal being let go because a superhero interrogated him and gained information without a lawyer present. This is supposed to be a fun game. What fun is it when the PC uses a GM-approved power and gets punished for it?

If you are going to get so technical with it, then you need to add in other factors that affect real courtrooms. One of the reasons politicians and celebrities are so hard to prosecute is because of their charisma. People are naturally attracted to them (one of the reasons they succeed in their profession). Maybe whoever has the higher PRE is favored by the jury. What about comeliness? Is the hero more attractive than the VIPER agent? Well, that's another bonus in his favor. In fact, you could nitpick it further. Why not say, "Since Mr. Justice didn't allow a lawyer, the police have to give back all the stolen items that were found in the VIPER nest, including all illegal explosive devices and the cash that was taken from 1st City Bank." Then ask yourself if you would do the same thing if the character wasn't a mentalist?

The Devil is in the details.

Re: Suggestions? Telepathic PCs just captured VIPER agent

Don't punish the PC/Player!

You wouldn't give all VIPER agents an extra 10-20 PD because the group has a brick, would you?

Re: Suggestions? Telepathic PCs just captured VIPER agent

"Mr. Justice' date=' will you kindly tell the court how you found the enemy base? Please remember that you are under oath."[/quote']

"We interrogated the prisoner until he slowly gave us clues. There was no one 'smoking gun' answer. If you'd like, we have all three hours of the interrogation that I could read back to you."

 

Or, "Define 'find' for me. Oh, and it wasn't really me that found it, I was behind Mr. Brick."

 

Of course, I think the "telepathy is illegal" is about as effective as France trying to outlaw war decades ago. What evidence is there of telepathy? If telepathy is illegal, does that include Dionne Warwick and her Psychic Friends? Madame Cleo? What about stage magicians using card tricks? Can you ask someone to think of a number between 1 and 100?

 

From the scenario that was put forth, let the PC get what information he can from an extremely low-level VIPER agent. The NPC doesn't know what the GM knows. I mean, who expects a lowly VIPER agent to say "The Supreme Serpent is really this, and you can find his hidey cave here?" The suggestion of VIPER cells is great. Also, maybe after a few mind probes, the VIPER nest leader figures out what may be going on and pays for a VIPER mentalist to come in and build up agent resistance to mind probes, as part of the city's standard requirements. Maybe 5 points MD only versus telepathy.

 

Finally, there is the GM apologizing for allowing telepathy. He can admit he didn't see it as being that powerful and asks the player to reconsider either eliminating it or reducing it (maybe down to 4 or 6 dice). As compensation, the GM can say that whatever level the PC has, most mentalist villains will have the same level, that way it is fair both ways. Or he can say up front that he's going to make some villain mentalists and base their telepathic power level off of the PC. He then asks the player if he wants to reduce his level or keep it where it's at, but if he raises it, one of the mentalist villains will have the opportunity to raise it.

 

Personally, I don't find this such a huge deal, unless on their very first run the PC already has like 10d6 or 12d6. But that's just me. I hope this helps. By the way, how many dice of telepathy does this guy have?

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

To tell you the truth' date=' Irishman, I don't like mentalists. The PCs really have Bad Egos, and any Mentalist worth their salt could wipe the floor with them; they is UBER.[/quote']

Bah, humbug! And a hogwash while ye 'r at it. Just because they're a mentalist, doesn't mean they have to be a powerful mentalist. Maybe they're only built on 200 points, or 175.

 

In a game I ran, the "mentalist" of the group had only a 4d6 ego attack with an ECV of 7. She didn't have any mind reading abilities. There was a scene where she was trying to take out a criminal normal who had all primary mental stats at 10 and primary physical stats between 12-14. On her first ego attack, she missed. Her second attack did 6 points, straight, no defenses. Her next attack did 10 points. She switched dice and rolled 10 points again. Luckily for her, that knocked the guy out.

 

I say attack the PCs with a low-powered mentalist or two. A psychokinesis mentalist doesn't read minds necessarily. A mentalist doesn't make one a Jedi.

If your PCs didn't buy energy defenses, would you refuse to use energy attacks? In a game where I was a player, a new GM tried running a Dark Champions game, and didn't use energy attacks at all, figuring it wasn't a DC kind of thing. We didn't buy energy defenses and became a little too well defended.

 

PS: At 11:50 PM yesterday evening, my first 5E was scanned in at the local UPS hub. Today, I shall receive it. Yahoo!

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

Foxbat:

The death of a pet: A PC's DNPC's pet gerbil dies. The PC is asked to take him to the store to buy another. When the PC goes to the store, all the gerbils, hamsters, mice and similar rodents are sold out. The PC goes to another store. The same thing has happened! If the PC mentions this to a store employee, the employee offers to call their other stores in town. What a coincidence, all of these animals have been purchased. After doing some minor investigating, the heroes discover that at each store a few people came in buying all of the same tye of pet, but none of the descriptions really match. What's going on? The stores mention they'll be resupplied in about a week.

A few days later, on a night patrol, the power in the city goes out in a bad storm.* Only one building in the neighborhood has power. If the PC(s) investigate, they see Foxbat and team playing cards or some such. If PC(s) investigate further or enter by crashing the party, they'll eventually discover that there is a floor dedicated to housing hundreds of gerbils, hamster, mice, etc. It turns out Foxbat was tired of paying a very expensive electric bill and uses these rodents to supply him with electricity. All the cages have wheels that are attached to the electric layout. Ingenious and legal! (Of course, if Foxbat is wanted for any crimes....)

The check is in the mail: Post offices around the city are reporting break-ins, but they can't figure out what the criminals are looking for. Once the news is spread and stake-outs are posted, the crimes stop. Then postal 18-wheelers are being robbed! The drivers are knocked out from either sleeping gas, or hit on the head from behind when at truck stops. Eventually, the PCs come upon Foxbat and company exiting a mail truck with a few bags full of mail. During the fight, a missed shot hits a bag (or a successul hit where the bag is used to intercept the shot) and many envelopes fall out; the villains flee. When investigating, or if Foxbat is then captured. It turns out all stolen envelopes were from Publishers Clearing House. Foxbat was hoping that by eliminating all competitors in the city, he might win. The next day or so, PCH announces a winner in the neighboring city.

Hmm... I can't think of a third one, other than Foxbat embaresses Eurostar and they chase him back to campaign city. But it's just not as creative. UNLESS the PCs are vacationing in Europe at the time, and Foxbat come retreating right past them!

*A few weeks ago, Dallas County had a standard storm with some high winds that ended up knocking out power to 500,000 homes, apartments, and buildings. It was more due to a lack of well-maintained lines than fierce lightning, but still.

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

In order to 'buy the packers' -- yes, a large plurality is tied up in a few owners...

 

... the rest of it is spread out in little packets among thousands of people all over Green Bay. Perhaps tens of thosuands, I'm not certain.

 

But anyway, the Packers are the last team in the league where the franchise truly belongs to the community, not some corporate owner.

Silence! I shall not have you tainting my idea with foul, factual references! (Somehow, this does sound familiar, though. Can anyone else confirm this?) Okay, maybe Green Bay, Wisconsin is the secret base to the North American leaders of VIPER and they have the more VIPER agents in Green Bay than the next three nests combined! Yes! The fact that most of these employees are the pencil pushers and lawyers means nothing to me. Nothing, I tell you! Now begone before I have to turn you into an an e-newt. But have a nice day while you're at it.

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

Ha' date=' this sounds like those Hostess ads in the back pages of comics from the 70s. Superman and Batman solved many problems with Twinkies and Hostess cupcakes.[/quote']

I think they went into the 80's also. But those were advertisements, with Grond, it's an adventure!

 

Besides, wouldn't you want to be eating a cupcake while being lassoed by Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman?

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

Minor note -- the Packers are the one team in the league whose ownership is spilt up among the populace of the town.

Curse you to the seven seas! (I mean that in the nicest way. )

Sigh, well, not in my campaign, gosh darnit.

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

The Seven Horsemen:

War, hmph, what is he good for? A local villainous brick beats up a lone PC or two while he/they is/are out on patrol. Somehow, it makes the news. A few nights later, the PC(s) is/are on patrol again and run into the same brick. Before combat can ensue, War attacks the brick to see who is better. The PCs can either intervene or watch. If victorious (and really, why not?), War makes some tactical suggestions on how to beat this guy, then he leaves.

Mayhem and Destruction: Fear and Destruction have arrived downtown during lunch hour. Fear is bringing aspects to the forefront, granting normal power. He is looking for an eighth Horseman (Mayhem), maybe because Destruction wants a boy-toy. Can the heroes stop them? And how many new low-powered supers are created with dominant aspects? (Passion, humor, competitiveness, etc.)

We have nothing to fear but Fear himself: Perhaps either tired of the PCs' popularity, boldness, or just wanting more people beneath him, Fear has the Seven Horsemen attack the PCs. When the PCs are beat, they are spirited away to some abandoned warehouse that has been prepared for them. When they come to -all chained, bound, and restrained- Fear tells them he's going to recruit them into his army, whether they like it or not. He tries to manipulate all the PCs at once, and somewhat succeeds. Anyone with a beserk, has the rolls changed (for the worse), those with enraged now have beserk (same roll) and those without, now have enraged (with the best rolls possible: 8- to go, 14- recover). They all also have a minor psychological fear of Fear and a 1.5 vulnerability to one of the member's powers. (Maybe one PC has a vuln. to one of Famine's attacks, one PC has a vuln to a Dread attack, etc.) The other side effects? Each PC is now 50 to 100 points stronger! Either in a new power, a boost in current stats or a mixture of both!

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow

VIPER:

From a street contact, the PCs learn that VIPER is doing something concerning the next football game in town. The contact doesn't know much, he overheard (spied) a bit, but was too scared to stick around when agents thought they heard something (him).

The PCs go to the game (incognito) and search and search and search, but don't find any signs of VIPER before the game, so they take their seats and wait. For the first time, the players really notice the field. It's the local team versus the Green Bay Packers. Something clicks. Green Bay colors are green and yellow. VIPER colors are green and yellow. VIPER has legitamately, but quietly bought the team. Hmm... I wonder what this means for the Baltimore Ravens?

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow: Share you ideas!

The next batch of ideas

 

Grond Smash ! (Grond)

 

The opening of the Hulk movie has not gone unnoticed by the paranomal community. And someone in particular is keen to show that there is only one green skinned Goliath. So Grond crashes the premiere in Los Angeles. Can the heroes stop Grond AND simultaneously stop property damage particularly near that famous Chinese theatre?

Great Grond scene!

How about adding this whenever the PCs beat Grond and he gets taken away:

A Hollywood producer, loving Grond's performance at the theater, visits Grond in prison. He offers Grond the role of an action star if he will behave while locked up. Defense lawyers convice the county to have a hearing for Grond to be released doing community service. The PCs are requested since they help beat Grond. Will they help Grond go straight?

"Grond smash!" - Grond at the movies

"Grond smash puny super friends!" - Extended DVD version

Re: Copycats?

GROND:

A rotten rich-kid has been denied entry into a city-wide art contest as he was found to be cheating by his teacher at school. While on his way home, he comes across Grond, who is simply wanting a place to stay for awhile. The kid lets Grond stay at his home/mansion and a thankful Grond decides to help him get in the art contest one way or the other.

Hey! Don't use Grond to reinforce a bad student's bad behavioral patterns!

-Sorry it's the teaching aspect in me.

Maybe they meet, kid tells story and Grond says he wishes he had an art teacher. Kid tries to get revenge on teacher and sends Grond after her. PCs are told of Grond sighting, fly to school and find teacher actually teaching art to Grond.

-Yeah, I'm sentimental about Grond.

Re: Grond

Green SpaceWhen the PCs investigate the region' date=' they are amazed to discover a colony of the legendary Sasquatch! Even more unsettling, though, is when they are attacked by the beast-men's new protector. Grond has discovered a peaceful land whose simple inhabitants accept him without reservation, and will not let the humans who have hounded him destroy it.[/quote']

Woohoo! Another Grond episode! I really like this one, too. I know your post will be a month old this Saturday, but I just signed up in June!

 

Another related Grond theme could be the PCs are notified of a Grond sighting in the forest and asked to stop him from rampaging through. When the PCs arrive, they see Grond is officially employed by the lumber company to help chop wood. With his strength he chops down trees in one swing. With four arms he chops down two trees at a time, maybe four! Sure, it's not as great as your idea, but it is a thought.

 

My original thought was like this:

King Grond: The PCs' base is alerted that Grond has been sighted scaling a construction site in downtown. When the PCs arrive, they find out Grond in now a construction worker; the fellow who called it in didn't think to find out the story first. (This idea I had since in one of the campaigns I was in, one of the other PCs -Thor- had a public ID and was a contstruction worker.)

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow: Share you ideas!

V.O.I.C.E.:

1) Evil feeds upon itself: One member from each from various supervillain groups around the world turns up dead about once a week. The connection: A rival villain drops the deceased body at a news station (on camera) with a note. Tension mounts as a groups such as GRAB, WITCH, Terror, Inc., Assessininos, and the Ultimates all feel the sting. Chaos breaks loose when a member of Euorostar gets killed. Their rival was an American villain from the PCs home city/state and now Eurostar reeks havoc in that location.

What's happening? V.O.I.C.E. has a new member (or two), one (or two) of the Masq. V.O.I.C.E. assassinates a villain, the Masq poses as a rival and dumps the body off publicly. (The note is becasue the Masq may not speak the local language). V.O.I.C.E. is weakening the strength of potential rivals hoping to eliminate several groups. If and when a group is eliminated, V.O.I.C.E. moves into that territory (PCs area?) with no opposition.

2) The Great Super Villain Contest: A new super group appears in a neighboring city doing a few good deeds. Only once again, the GSVC starts. Things are "typical" for the contest until the neighboring city group starts killing a few villains. Repurcussions abound: Citizens are split on these actions. "Supers/Anti-mutant" hate groups have fuel for their fire. Local politicians want restrictive measures. Citizens become split on their feelings for supers. Some villains start killing other supers ("do it to them before they do it to us") and complain about the rules of the GSVC. The entity holding the contest decides to send his own troops to subdue this new hero group on their next major appearance.

The PCs are attacked by many villains (safety in numbers, 7-12) and are being severely beaten. In come the heroes next door to help out. Who do the PCs support? The killing heroes who are helping them or the destructive villains who are out to get them? Toward the end of the conflict (when only two groups are left), the assault group from the GSVC host has arrived. Now what?

What's happening: V.O.I.C.E. was starting up a recruiting drive when the GSVC started. Angered that he couldn't get any responses since the GSVC was receiving more "press," Lung Hung has the Jaws dress as heroes to sow dissention amongst the public, heroes and villains. With the GSVC vanguard's appearance, LH must decide whether to regroup or fight. Also, what if someone in the GSVC is a mentalist and discovers the ploy? Which side will the heroes be on?

3)Recruitment drive: V.O.I.C.E. is looking for new members. To prove themselves worthy, they must kill a hero (preferably a martial artist). One of the PCs is attacked and bloodied. When the heroe is stunned, the villain boasts about the recruitment drive and then starts the attack again. Several more PCs arrive to help out and the villain flees. After this news is reported, several new costumed & masked martial artists pop-up the next week announcing they'll help stop V.O.I.C.E.

The next day, the PC that was originally attacked is found dead. The strange thing is, is that he's at home/the base watching the news story. Each day following another martial artist is found dead. After a few days of this, the police come to the PCs base to discuss important private business. It turns out that all of these dead heroes are exact copies of the original PC. The PCs try to find out where these clones are coming from. Turns out a scientist figured he could create clones to die in the place of real heroes. The heroes have an ethical & moral problem here. Plus, how long has this guy had cloning technology? Who else has he clone?

Re: The Last Hurrah (adventure for your use)

We are talking about the President who had the "Star Wars" defense system on the drawing board right?

I'm not sure what you're suggesting here, but the Star Wars defense system concept is in effect, although greatly altered. The U.S. Air Force has a least three planes that are designed to stop missiles by laser, at least one of which was flying during Desert Storm. The laser has been researched since that kid tried melting chocolate with it. The existance of it as a successful weapon was declassified around five years ago.

That being said, your Nucelar Football is completely off.

Crackerjacker - your scenario is fine' date=' could use tweaking to fit into someone elses campaign.[/quote']

(Shudders at the thought of first statement.)

How about, "Crackerjacker, your scenario is fine for your campaign, but will have to be (severely?) modified to fit in anyone else's campaign."

 

I think the tension on this thread stems from a few things, each leading to the rising tension of the one following:

 

1. The title had "adventure for your use," instead of something like "my campaign/adventure, what do you think?"

2a. Most people didn't like the portrayel of Reagan.

2b. Many people stated the implausibility of the plot as a whole, or how it would have to be changed for their campaign.

3. Crackerjacker was upset at all critiques and suggestions that didn't praise his thread and states repeatedly that you can't change the plot.

4. Axent X comes in nitpicking nearly every post that doesn't agree with Crackerjacker. Comments basically state the Crackerjacker is completely correct because he posted it and all others are wrong for finding faults with his scenario. Axent X also states he can't use the scenario as-is, and will change it.

 

Everyone else - chill....

Yes, and this time when I tell myself I'm not going to come back here, I'm going to remember to unsubscribe to this thread. Silly me.

As my parting words (aside from my signature), I would just like to suggest again to Crackerjacker that next time no one responds to your thread, just move on.

Re: The Last Hurrah (adventure for your use)

Thanks for the adventure concept. I may be able to mutate this someday into something that fits my campaign.

Don't you understand, he doesn't want anyone to alter the idea to fit in their campaign. His whole "Reagan has to be linked, and you couldnt [sic] change the plot," statement tells you that. You are right that it is a good concept, which could fit in nearly anyone's campaign. But Crackerjacker is adamant about you having to keep the plot as-is.

Sheesh, I think I'm going to turn into a ranter. Let me go check out some other threads.

Re: The Last Hurrah (NOT for me)

Reagan has to be linked' date=' and you couldnt change the plot.[/quote']

You know, I was holding some hope for you, but this just seems to have eliminated that. With all your posts on this thread, you just seem to be a junior high or high school kid with a superplot just to have one. Heck, I've been there; I've had the horrible plots/adventures. (Though mostly in D&D.) The difference is that when I was critiqued by my players, I listened to what they said and have never run as horrible adventures as I did back then. Not that all my plots are great ones, but I've learned and progressed since then.

 

You haven't even been willing to change anything, or accept any suggestions from those offering it. You've said that you made changes so we could use it, but our changes aren't good enough for you. Aside from how unlikely anyone posting is to use this exact theme, let's look at some basic flaws you won't budge on:

 

1: You've not changed Reagan a little, but made him nearly opposite of how he was.

 

2: We would have to create/introduce world-scale villains that everyone is supposed to already fear for their background.

 

3: We would have to rewrite history to accomodate your plot, making the U.S. and U.S.S.R. work together to stop these people in the past, when this may be the antithesis of someone else's history.

 

4: We would have to rewrite history again and suddenly all know that these "enforcers" were public-like figures and that they were in the spotlight from 15-23 years ago.

 

Do you see yet why we have trouble with this?

 

But the idea is that the Minutemen were picked by Reagan because they were the most susceptible to suggestion out of America's most powerful superhumans.

This just adds to the problem. The "Susceptible to suggestion" implies that Reagan or the government was looking for some easily brainwashable people. The Secret Service agents charged with protecting presidents are not lackeys. They are determined minds. Why would supers have to be brainwashed or mind altered when normals aren't?

 

Maybe I didnt make this all clear enough the first time' date=' but still you'd have to really be not paying attention to think I was saying that Reagan wanted to cause a nuclear holocaust.[/quote']

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to your own postings.

 

...the Juggernaut' date=' a nuclear weapons command center that only President Reagan and his closest staff members knew of....[/quote'] (Post #1)

 

And the Juggernaut was Reagan's paranoid insurance policy in case of nuclear war. His contingency plan.

(Post #5)

 

Stating that a president and his staff are the only ones to know of a nuclear facility (what about those guarding & operating it?) and wouldn't tell their successor tends to give us an idea. Follow that up with you saying it was Reagan's "paranoid insurance policy" and I think the implications speak what we've been saying.

 

Learn to take suggestions. Several positngs state how they'd change some things to run it, but no, you don't want that. Lighten up. This last post of yours has made me not want to help out any more and I've lost interest in doing so. I truely hope your next thread idea is better and that you'll take suggetions.

Re: from little plot seeds, mighty games do grow: Share you ideas!

GROND:

The PC's are called into stop a Grond Rampage....

Grond is one of my favorite bricks! Add this to your scenarios involving Grond (a previous GM of mine did): Grond will stop fighting for Ho-Ho's. He'll even hug you if you give him Twinkies. After the heroes discover this, so eventually does Foxbat. The next time the heroes face Grond, Foxbat is rewarding him with snack after snack.