Rick

Re: Damage for lightsabers

 

but we still have the "How do you damage a weapon that is used to block, and how do you decide if a weapon was used to block and not just avoided" issues, I'm thinking some kind of trigger may be the answer, or a damage shield (but that seems pricey for what it does, of course price is not an issue in a Heroic game but I still worry about it)

You could write it up as a Damage shield and or a triger. However as the GM I simply use my judgement and apply damage as I see fit. I believe the energy sword write up in Star Hero has the blocking damage built into it. Again I prefer GM descreation since the power is an AVLD it fits this particular SFX quite well. Remember Lightsabers are by definition "Unbalanced", that is the point though.

Re: Damage for lightsabers

No' date=' it really doesn't -- Combat Luck is just Armor with a luck effect. And you still haven't modeled that it can get blocked by another blade.[/quote']

 

I know what Combat Luck is. I don't really understand your issue with it being common for certain types in a world like Star Wars, that is what it is built for. It isn't armor though, armor is just the power used to achieve the effect of being lucky or hell even simply being on the move constantly. I know it is called Combat "Luck" but it is a great write up and I don't feel like re-inventing the wheel there.

 

As far as another Lightsaber blocking a lightsaber, that is simply part of the lightsaber. I could add it as a -0 lim but that would be a waste of time since a saber blade is an energy field of sorts so you could just read it under that Limitation. If another weapon is used to block it I would apply the rules I wrote up in the description. The weapon would take 6 body of damage and mostly likely fall to pieces.

Re: Damage for lightsabers

*emphasis added and

 

No it doesn't.

 

You've forgotten a number of things, among them, you're using AVLD (Combat Luck?!) when in fact the defense is either The Force, a Force Field of sufficient strength, or another Light Saber, although in the Star Wars universe, there are no portable force fields portrayed, although I believe they showed up in KOTOR, they weren't the be-all end-all of personal defense.

 

I'm picking a lot of nits tonight, it seems, but this doesn't feel like you properly captured 'light saber' at all. Maybe 'energy knife,' but not 'light saber.'

Ahhh, ok. If you read the write up you'll see that they have no effect on objects protected by a Force Field (Like in the Films) and since when does the force defence a Lightsaber. Combat Luck is a common defense in a world where Jedi where robes.

So yeah it really does reflect the films quite well.

If you're going to have Lightsabre's not add damage from STR or Velocity, then the base damage should probably be higher. 2D6 should probably be the absolute minimum damage a Lightsabre would deal and 3D6K would be a lot closer to how it performs in the movies. Of course, AVLD or NND goes a long way toward making it the ultimate melee weapon, but I think they do way more than 1D6+1 or even 1 1/2D6K.

 

Of course in my games, Strength (and Velocity) adds damage to lightsabres. I happen to support the "Spinning Forcefield" model of Lightsabre physics....

Well, Martial Arts DCs add to the damage. I also allow characters to buy Deadly Blow. Even without the later, characters average between 2d6 to 2.5d6K ALVD. It Chops through EVERYTHING!!! Ony Jedi/Dark Siders and really Important NPCs have any Combat Luck. So the weapon is an NND Killing Attack averaging 6-9 body per hit (not including location modifiers). So yeah it is better than the other weapons in the game.

Guys these things cut through people and Droids like crazy. Your average enemy soldier has like 12-13 body (maybe). It rarely lakes more than two hits to nutrilize anyone short of an important NPC. A head shot is all but certain death, Limbs go flying like crazy and the weapons damage is just demoralizing. The Combat Luck simply makes combat with important villians more interesting and keeps the PCs from Dieing instantly when whereing robes. I've been using this write up or some variant for over 3 years, it works well.

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Is it the Hawiian Fruit Punch? heh...

Sorry I'm ashamed ...

Re: {Campeign Report} They'll save everyone of us

Sounds like fun.

Re: Damage for lightsabers

Here is how Lightsabers work in my Star Wars Campaign. This ends up looking just like a Star Wars film Lightsaber.

2) Lightsaber: Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 1 ½d6, Reduced Endurance (0 END; +½), Does BODY (+1),

Attack Versus Limited Defense (Combat Luck; +1 ½) (100 Active Points); Independent (-2), OAF (-1),

No STR Bonus (-½), -1 Decreased STUN Multiplier (-¼), No Knockback (-¼) 0

Description: This is the signature weapon of the Jedi. Elegant as it is powerful, often simply the sight of an unopened

Lightsaber can end a fight. The Lightsaber can cut through anything that isn’t ray shielded or has some sort of GM

approved force field. The only defense against the saber is combat luck. Strength does not add to damage nor does velocity,

however Martial arts DC’s do. There is also a special 6 pt. DC that only applies to Lightsabers (this avoids hugely over

powered unarmed martial arts). Against inanimate object such as blast doors the saber will do 6 body every active phase of the

wielder.

I should add "real weapon" to that write up.

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Dude I chacked out the starwars wiki last night...man there is a Lot of backstory available...

I tend not to like a lot of the EU story line, Lucas's stories seem so much cleaner and simpler for me to fill in the blanks in my own ways. I steal Names all the time though. I do use the Wookieepedia often though for research.

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What source are Krath from?

 

Payback

The krath is a name I picked out of some Star Wars Comic way back when, I think the original Exar Kun stuff. I like the name and my Krath have no relation in origin or back story as those in the comics.

The Krath in my Universe are what now fill the void since the destruction of the Sith. Unlike the Sith who were all meant to rule, Krath are often chosen because of their Lack of power and potential and often from segments of society that would make one crave for vengence and violence. The Krath lords are often fallen Jedi who use the nameless faceless Krath as tools in thier ambition.

The Sith in the Past of my Universe are also different than the comics. The Sith history I use is that of George Lucas. They were formed by Darth Ruin former Jedi Master Phanious 2000 some years ago. THe Sith and Jedi are so close in so many ways.

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The Vong aren't really Force Proof. As is found out by the end of the Vong war they were stripped of access to the force by their own world (which had somehow attained Sapience).

 

If the force creates life and life creates the force, then inanimate objects like water and rocks wouldn't be connected to it at all. Instead it seems more like what Yoda originally said in Ep 6. It is an energy field that surrounds us, penetrates us, binds us together. Suppressing that field wouldn't have any effect except to hinder those that have the ability to access it. This would be like an insect gaining the ability to absorb rather than reflect hypersonic sounds. That would make them much harder for a bat to find and so let that prey species take off with a predator that is now less effective at finding them.

Actually you're thinking Episode V, what Yoda says is that the Force Breeds life and Life breeds the Force, it surrounds us and binds us... It connects us, you me the tree even the earth and the ship. It is all of these things, and i understand that the Vong, were "stripped" of the force. It was also all but impossible to detect them and use the force for various things invovling them. If it surrounds us and binds us and it is the bearer of life... then why should it be stripped from the creatures who seem to celebrate biology more than any others. I didn't mean to start a debate here about the Vong or any other EU subject here. If there is interest in this subject we could retire to the Other topic forum.

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They look good.

 

Where is Vadar's Choke? Got to have the choke as well as Force Pull.

Or is that covered under Telekinesis?

 

Looking very good, keep it coming. I am swiping as you go. I have NEVER been happy with ANY star wars Rpling game so far and this looks very promising. (Last thing we tried SW in was Silhouette System by DP9. It didn't work).

Thanks, I've never liked any system for Star Wars either. Hero is great since I focus on the Films and ignore 90% of the EU. I ike Star Wars to be simple and about stories. To often the EU gets bogged down in minuta like Tech Bable and really out there force interpretations. The Psalimari is a great example. If you make any area with out the force everything in that area will all but die, the Force and Life are circular one breeds the other. The Force proof Yuuzan Vong for that and many other reasons may be the worst offenders.

Yes though I cover that under TK. The TK should have Fine Manipulate so that any Jedi/Sith/Krath (or other Force User) with the physical trick skill can choke, pull or even throw with up to 20 strength with out issue, after a hit of course. The reason I seperated the Push was simply to get the effect of Jedi and Sith in the prequels pushing things for lots of Knock Back.

Wow it can dead lift 100 tons?

 

What was your thinking behind this sort of Str?

I don't have any write up on it myself so I don't know anything about it except it is big.

Does it really have that kind of lifting power or where you trying to reflect it's RAW power and strength in damage class?

Well That was one of the issues I've been wrestling with. The truth is he would eb a 50 strength with out any purchase of aditional strength (W/Growth). I'll probably change him back to that. I can see a rancor flipping over a Y-wing, however 100 tons is extreme. I was really thinking more about Damage. Truth be told... 10d6 for a punch or squeeze is damned impressive, 12d6 maybe over kill on my part.

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I just got the Rancor mini in the mail today so I got a bug up my butt and wrote the nasty thing up in like 10 minutes or so. He may change soon.

P.S. The mini might be the finest piece in the Star Wars mini line. though its size and ease of painting may attribute to this.

Re: The Jedi thing...again...

Lightsaber.

Lightsaber: Killing Attack - Hand-To-Hand 1 ½d6, Reduced Endurance (0 END; +½), Does BODY (+1), Attack Versus Limited Defense (Combat Luck; +1 ½) (100 Active Points); Independent (-2), OAF (-1), No STR Bonus (-½), -1 Decreased STUN Multiplier (-¼), No Knockback (-¼)

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Krath And Stormtroopers. Note that the Krath Aprentice is actually the most powerful of the three Krath, a Krath Lord should be written up individually.

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Oh, ok.

 

Could make the request that you put up the HD files in one big Zip in this thread as well as the HD site?

 

I personally don't find the HD site to be very well laid out and finding things is easier in the forums, IMO.

 

TB

Will do.

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I was putting it in a form that everyone can read whether or not they have HDv3, when I'm done I figure I'll put it all up on the HD site and put a link here over to there. Also this project for me is an opertunity to revise, edit and clarify all of this work so prefabs and characters are all changing a little bit everyday. Which goes back to the when I'm done thing. I'll get them up.

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I think next I will post some of the Krath. the Krath are the Darkside Occultists that have filled the void that Palpatine and Vaders death left. They are numberous as those who recruit will take anyone with even the slightest affinity with the force and twist them to the darkside. Their initiates wear masks and give up thier names. They are the nameless faceless Krath. They are allowed to show thier faces sometime after reachng the middle ranks of the order, they are given names when they become Krath Lords, terribly few reach that level before a young death.

They are violent and petty. The initiates are under trained and will not recieve any substancial training until they have proven talented enough to get noticed by a Lord.

Later I will talk about their code and ideaolgy.

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Here are three Basic Jedi with out any individual PC type Flare...

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A few more.

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Vehicle Time.

Ok Shields are Body aid with the SFX of energy shielding, they will delfect Lightsabers, and GM should use common sense if someone decides to "punch or kick" the ship. I don't use end on ships and I'm still working out Hyper Drive speeds... for the most part travel time is a cinematic issue for me not a systemic issue.

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Well' date=' this is neat... look forward to being home to download these...[/quote']

 

Thanks I'll be getting vehicles up tonight or tomorrow, and maybe I'll work on some sample characters like Storm/clonetroopers, Jedi, Krath and maybe some droids (I need to write up astro droids anyways).

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The format won't change just the tags. And remember' date=' you don't [i']have [/i]to download a new version.

Thats true I always like options though, and being able to upload them here with out any intervening steps would be great.

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D'oh! :nonp:

 

That's mine... I think that would indicate it is time to go through all my Export Formats and get them up to date...

htats my favorite Export file so please don't change the format to much.

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I still want to know which Export Format that is...

Oh sorry man... It is RTF-Published Full Character Sheet Option-A.

Re: Okay, Lightsabres rule... but Star Wars is so-so.

In that case, it's very hard to justify a blaster or projectile weapon as anything other than a weapon. Aren't there a number of martial arts weapons that were supposed to have plausible deniability as farming implements?

 

 

 

[1] (I had a presence attack that ran "I use this to weld together six-inch plates of steel. What do you suppose it'll do to your head?")

Well Okinawan weapons were farming impliment often. Kama/sythes, Sia/hail bailers(I think), Nunchucks(Sp?)/wheat threshers.

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The Force and Force powers.