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Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

Also, your response to Vurbal is rude.

sorry, it was not my intent. (there was a smiley)

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

Asking me after I've repeatedly said I don't use it will get you nowhere.

Why do you bother posting in this thread ? That's beyond my comprehension, lol.

But Steve already said that it wasn't an error...

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

... making them different for game balance reasons.....

What are those mysterious game balance reasons ?

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

If you Megascale a Movement Power with a Turn-Mode such as Flight' date=' doesn’t the Turn-Mode Megascale as well? In other words, if you buy Flight Megascaled so that each unit of Flight = 1km then you measure how much space it takes to turn in km, right? Whereas, if you buy Flight with Increased Non-Combat Movement up to the same speed/distance, you still have a Turn-Mode but it’s measured in Hexes (or Meters or whatever). It may be a Turn-Mode, but it’s turning on a dime compared to the Megascale character/vehicle going the same speed. This doesn’t really have anything to do with “Megamovement DCV” other than to illustrate that there are differences between Megamovement and regular movement (unless I’m completely mis-remembering how Turn-Mode and Megascale interact).[/font']

Then Megamovement should give even less DCV than regular movement because it's harder to dodge (turn) while "megamoving"

Re: END cost for FTL travel

In order to find the time required =

Time = Range - VF.

Then check this table:

-4=1seconds

-2=2 sec

0=4 sec

2=8 sec

4=15 sec

6=30 sec

8=1minute

10=2mn

12=4mn

14=8mn

16=16mn

18=32mn

20=1hour

22=2h

24=4h

26=8h

28=16h

30=32h

32=64h

34=128h

36=256h

38=512h

40=1024h

42=3 months

44=6 months

46=1 year

etc.

Ex:

1UA (68) at light speed (54) = 68-54 = 14 = 8 minutes

As far as you use VF this table works with any movement power.

The actual formulae is=

Time in seconds = [(√2)^(Range-VF)]X[(60X60X24X365)/[(√2)^46]]

When dealing with characters or vehicles (ship) with FTL travel and a Cost END limitation, assuming a cruising SPD 2 we may use existing parameters (VF and Range mod) to quickly find the END/Fuel cost of a long trip =

Velocity Factor of light is 54. (cf APG p 178)

Because FTL travel follows the same scale as VF we can say that : the VF of FTL equals Base Cost+44.

10 pts = VF 54

56 pts= VF 100

60 pts = VF 104, etc.

Now find the Range mod of the distance travelled.

1UA=Range mod 68

1 Light Year = Range mod 100. (cf 6E2p 162)

Let's say e=END cost per phase.

Total END cost = [(√2)^(Range-VF)] * 2/3 * e.

For instance:

at 10 pts of FTL (light speed); Cost End (-1/2) : 1 END/phase

we want to travel 1 light year

VF=54

Range=100

Total END cost = [(√2)^(100-54)] * 2/3 * 1 = 5 million END.

at 56 pts of FTL (light speedX8M); Cost End (-1/2) : 6 END/phase

we want to travel 1 light year

VF=100

Range=100

Total END cost = [(√2)^(100-100)] * 2/3 * 6 = 4 END

at 12 pts of FTL (light speedX2); Cost End (-1/2) Increased End Cost X10 (-4) : 10 END/phase

we want to travel 1 UA

VF=56

Range=68

Total END cost = [(√2)^(68-56)] * 2/3 * 10 = 427 END

Obviously it could be a table instead of an equation =

http://cryptmaster.free.fr/site/HERO/FTL.php

There are 31 million seconds in 1 year so 1LY/s should be at the 60BP level.

44: 1LY/4mn

46: 1LY/2mn

48: 1LY/mn

50: 1LY/30sec

52: 1LY/15 sec or 1 turn

54: 1LY/7sec

56: 1LY/4sec

58: 1LY/2sec

60: 1LY/sec

62: 2LY/s

64: 4LY/s

66: 8LY/s

68: 16LY/s

70: 32LY/s

72: 64LY/s instead of 250LY/s. That's quite different, IMO.

Re: FTL Travel

about that:

at 56 BP: Speed of light X 8M = 1LY/s (actually this is not true. There is 31M s in 1 year so 1LY/s should be at the 60BP level.)

46: 1LY/2mn

48: 1LY/mn

50: 1LY/30sec

52: 1LY/15 sec or 1 turn

54: 1LY/7sec

56: 1LY/4sec

58: 1LY/2sec

60: 1LY/sec

62: 2LY/s

64: 4LY/s

66: 8LY/s

68: 16LY/s

70: 32LY/s

72: 64LY/s

etc...

72BP=64LY/s instead of 250.....the nasty effect of rounding....

PS: now that i have what i wanted to know here is the house rule i wanted to build =

http://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php/77289-END-cost-for-FTL-travel

Re: FTL Travel

According to 6e2:17 by default everyone is assumed to act at speed 2 when out of combat. If you treat vehicles the same way and it doesn't matter how fast your vehicle is' date=' they all use the same SPD when just cruising.[/quote']

 

ok so basically,

300 Mega meters /s at SPD 2 => 1800 Mega meters and 1 END(*) / phase

1 LY = 10 000 billion km so it would need:

10.000.000.000.000.000 / 1.800.000.000 = 5.555.555 END to travel 1 LY at C

 

(*)

10 BP: Speed of light.

Cost END (-1/2)

Real: 7.

 

 

Now at 56 BP: Speed of light X 8M = 1LY/s (actually this is not true. There is 31M s in 1 year so 1LY/s should be at the 60BP level.)

8M X 300M m/s at SPD 2 => 8M X 1800M m and 6 END / phase

10.000.000.000.000.000 / 14.400.000.000.000.000 = 0.69

6 X 0.69= 4 END to travel 1 LY at 8MXC

(the same cost as 6 X 5.555.555 / 8M)

 

Ok.

Re: FTL Travel

And be able to make more course corrections.

 

If that wasn't a concern, then they could reduce their SPD for the duration and save on END.

Well, so you mean that FTL Travel is, by default, supposed to be a SPD 2 movement ? (let's say that on a well planned long trip the ship only move so there is no need to change its SPD)

Re: FTL Travel

FTL is purchased in terms of distance / time. For example:

 

FTL Travel (6 Light Years/day)

 

If you use the power at full strength for one day, you will travel 6 light years. During the course of that day, you would spend END on every phase.

 

Not terribly difficult, IMO....

Then a SPD 4 ship would spend more END than a SPD 3 ship even if they travel at the same speed.

Not necessarily - most vessels consume more fuel or energy when maneuvering, especially when in combat. You could assume that a character or ship moving in a straight line can voluntarily lower their SPD to 2 in order to conserve fuel or energy. This would also have the interesting effect of the ship or character not being immediately fully combat ready, taking one or two Phases to change SPD.

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

Why is it difficult to accept that there are different DCV bonus structures in place for different forms of Movement?

That's non-sense.

One rule for this case, another for this other case.......sometimes Hero may be very ugly.

FTL travel with a Cost End limitation (*) is supposed to "cost END every Phase it’s used, just like any other power that costs END."

(*) like two of the three examples 6E1p225 and a lot of spaceships in 5E Star Hero (several of them even have a X10 END cost.)

Well well...

Unlike the other movement powers FTL is given in speed, not in distance.

So i wonder how we are supposed to handle an END/phase mecanism.

For 10 BP: Speed of light.

300 Mega meters /second

Cost END (-1/2)

Real: 7.

Are we supposed to convert it in a way that the character/vehicle actually move at a maximum of bought FTL ? (in this example: 300Meg m/s)

300Meg m/s = 3600 Meg m/turn

Then at SPD 2 => 1800 Meg m/phase

at SPD 4 => 900 Meg m/phase

SO the more SPD the character or vehicle has, the more tiring it's to move at the same speed (that's non sense, isn't it ?...)

Or are we supposed to understand "distance" when "speed" is written ?

For instance: 300Meg m/s ===> 300Meg m/phase (so at SPD 2 or more the actual speed is superior to the one bought.)

PS: please read the whole post before answering. Thanks

PPS: don't tell me that we shouldn't add a Cost END limitation to FTL.

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

64m/t: 1 DCV

64000: 21 DCV

so x1000 = +20 DCV

That's for the first level of megamovement. (+1 advantage in 6E)

Each level thereafter multiply the distance per 10, not 1000.

(6E1p157; 6E1p341 and 6E2p24.)

So the second level of megamov (+1 1/4 advantage in 6E) = X10.000 = 10km. This level should equal 27 DCV, not 39.

Look at the first post...

So going faster doesn't necessarily make you harder to hit.

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

More importantly' date=' going faster can just as easily make you easier to hit, as any turns you make will take more time and space -- your path is easier to predict over a unit of time.[/quote']

 

So ?

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

Steve said: "The table on 6E1 157 is correct."

So i have a problem here. I don't see how this table may be correct.

6E2p24, on the Velocity Based DCV, each X2 velocity = +2DCV so each X1000 velocity = +20 DCV.

64m/t: 1 DCV

125 : 3 DCV

250 : 5 DCV

500 : 7 DCV

1000: 9 DCV

2000: 11 DCV

4000: 13 DCV

8000: 15 DCV

16000: 17 DCV

32000: 19 DCV

64000: 21 DCV

Each level of Mega movement beyond the first one is X10 distance so i don't understand how it could give +20 DCV...(which is related to X1000 distance, not X10 ! )

The 6E1 p157 table doesn't follow the 6E2 p24 rule.

i think there is a mistake with the Megamovement Velocity Based DCV

As seen on 6E2p24, Velocity Based DCV, each X2 velocity = +2DCV

(actually this is the same as the VF found in APG p178)

So each increment of velocity X (Square root of 2) equals +1 DCV.

the Megamovement Velocity Based DCV (6E1p157) ==>

1 level of MegMov: DCV 19

2 level of MegMov: DCV 39

....+1 level : +20 DCV

I think it should be:

1 level : DCV 20 (or 19, that's not the big deal)

2 levels : DCV 27

....+1 level : +7 DCV (or +6.6 DCV)

....+3 levels: +20 DCV

The first level of MegMov is X1000 distance.

(Square root of 2)^20 = 1024 so the first level = DCV 20

+1 level of MegMov is X10 distance.

(Square root of 2)^7 = 11 so each level increment = +7 DCV

Am i right ?

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

so each 6 points of dex means the character dodges twice as fast

oh wait

a little bit off topic......and CVs are no longer based on Dex/3 in the 6E.

Re: Megamovement DCV errata ?

No, it can't.

You may round the +7 to +10 if you prefer.

But, unless i made a mistake the official +20 is not arbitrary, it's just wrong.

As seen on 6E2p24, Velocity Based DCV, each X2 velocity = +2DCV

(actually this is the same as the VF found in APG p178)

So each increment of velocity X (Square root of 2) equals +1 DCV.

So i think there is a trouble with the Megamovement Velocity Based DCV (6E1p157) ==>

1 level of MegMov: DCV 19

2 level of MegMov: DCV 39

....+1 level : +20 DCV

I think it should be:

1 level : DCV 20 (or +20 DCV for a fair and accurate DCV...but that's another story)

2 levels : DCV 27 (or +27...)

....+1 level : +7 DCV (or +6.6 DCV)

....+3 levels: +20 DCV

Explanation:

The first level of MegMov is X1000 distance.

(Square root of 2)^20 = 1024 so the first level = DCV 20

+1 level of MegMov is X10 distance.

(Square root of 2)^7 = 11 so each level increment = +7 DCV

note:

(Square root of 2)^19 = 724. The ^20 version is closer to the needed X1000 result.

(Square root of 2)^6 = 8. The ^7 version is closer to the needed X10 result.

PS: please read the whole post before answering. Thanks :)

FTL is given in distance per real time values, not per character's phase.

Then what is the END expense rate of a cost END (-1/2) Faster Than Light Travel power ? (like the example "Cosmic Flight" 6E1p225)

Re: HERO SYSTEM MARTIAL ARTS -- What Do *You* Want To See?

The only thing that actually interest me in HMA is the design chapter(s) (combining elements to build maneuvers.)

(IMHO this is a core set of rules which should have been a part of H6E2...)

The rest (real world m.a, archetypes, oriental weapons, etc...) is not my cup of tea.

Re: And 6e print books start to arrive

I've preordered the books in August and i'm still waiting.

Even some french online stores have received it, that's almost a bitter pill to swallow... (what is the point of preordering ?)

Re: APG Realistic Throwing

In order the get throwing distance which follow the kinetic equation :

(STR-Mass)/2

then check the result on this table:

http://cryptmaster.free.fr/site/HERO/log.php

And multiply the result by the distance you think a guy throwing a Mass equal to his STR may throw.

For the purpose of this example let's use 2m. (it could be any value the GM choose. IMHO at least 1m.)

Ex:

STR 10 = 100kg

Mass 5 = 50kg

10-5 / 2 = 2.5 rounded to 3

+3 on the table = X 1.52

2mX1.52 = 3m

STR 45

Mass 5

45-5 / 2 = 20

+20 on the table = X 16

2mX16 = 32m

STR 17 = 264kg

Mass -23 =1kg

17-(-23) / 2 = 20

+20 on the table = X 16

2mX16 = 32m

STR 90

Mass -23

90-(-23) / 2 = 57

+57 on the table = X 2,702

2m X 2,702 = 5 km

This is A LOT simpler than the APG rule...

Re: 6E p172 Object BODY table

Well, in your opinion is it wise, for a gritty genre, to increase the Body of unliving object (over living values) or would you decrease those of living being instead ?

Living 10 => 10

Unliving 7 => 13

Complex 5 => 8

or

Living 10 => 7 (looks like a nice Body value for an average everyman npc)

Unliving 7 => 10

Complex 5 => 5 (?)