Mark Rand

If you want to, but there will be other universes joining the ones here. Keep in mind that were not in either the DC Universe or the Champions Universe. Until the existance of the Stargate was revealed, the public didn't know that there was life in outer space.

Batman, Batgirl & Robin know about vampires, the Slayer, her associates and the Hellmouth. They share intelligence and, when necessary, help each other. The public is aware that Stargate Command exists and is 30-miles northwest of Gotham City. It was secret until the NID (National Intelligence Department) told the world. Now, the NID has been disbanded and the people that released the secret are in jail.

The time: about six months after the motion picture Batman & Robin. The place: the Batcave, beneath Wayne Manor. The people: Bruce Wayne (Batman), Richard Grayson (Robin), Barbara Wilson (Batgirl), and Alfred Pennyworth (Bruce's butler). "We're agreed then," Bruce said. "We'll form a secondary team to protect Gotham City if something happens to any of us. Although they'll come here each day at 9 am for a training session, they'll be based in the backup Batcave that Dr. Arcane found for us." "I thought you didn't like magic, Bruce," Dick said. "I'm not comfortable with it," Bruce admitted. "However, I trust Dr. Arcane's judgement in such matters. I also trust the Slayer and her associates. However, they won't be part of this team. Don't forget, while we fight regular foes, they deal with supernatural threats to the world." "What will the new heroes get out of this?" Barbara asked. "They'll receive jobs at Wayne Enterprises that give them decent pay for very little work. I'll also make arrangements for their housing in a middle-class neighborhood." "What sort of support staff were you thinking of for them, Master Bruce?" Alfred asked. "An engineer, a nurse, a forensics expert and a chemist," Bruce replied. "I understand either PRIMUS or the NSC is trying to get a liaison into our group. I'll make sure the liaison joins the new team." Comment is invited.

On Stargate SG-1, it's been stated that the gate breaks down matter into subatomic particles, sends it, as a charged matter stream, through another dimension, to another stargate, where the matter is reassembled. Since the Hellmouth is also a dimentional gate, how close can they be without effecting each other? I'd like to have them 35-miles apart. Are they too close?

By the end of Batman and Robin, Batman's need for control seemed to lessen somewhat. Is this reasonable? If so, would it be enough to enable him to form the Bat Team without driving them away? If so, would the team use his cave or their own?

Here is a slightly modified version of Gotham's Slayer and her associates. An 18-year old Slayer/Jedi Knight who carries her lightsaber, but doesn't use it on undead mooks. All they get is stakes. Her mother, a Jedi Knight (or is it Jedi Master) who, after coming to Earth 30-years ago, trained her daughter as a Jedi. She only accompanys her daughter on world-threatening missions. Two mother-daughter teams of Amazon warriors, who alternate teaming up with the Slayer. A sorceress with an 80 point VPP, who only uses her magic on major undead. Their Watcher, a computer and research expert who almost never goes on patrol. Comment is invited.

This morning, I realized that the Buffy/Angel Champions stats are to let us play in the Buffyverse using Champions rules, not bring her, as is, into a Champions game. As far as the Council of the Watchers and the Trismegistus Council being the same thing, I doubt it. The Watchers don't want anyone else hunting vamps and have no problem sending a hit squad to deal with anyone who gets in their way. Fortunately for the world, the Trismegistus Council has been dealing with most of the world's vamps, not the Watchers Council. The Trismegistus Council becomes the Watchers Council after season seven.

The guy who wrote the sheet Nightfly's talking about (not Mike Surbrook) said that those were season four stats. He's also the person that claimed that Sarah Michelle Gellar used Tae Kwon Do.

Barbara's Batcave now exists in my computer. I used the old Wayne Foundation Batcave as the basis for it. The Tech Shop is 7 x 25 feet. The Vehicle Shop is 20 x 25 feet.Since the two shops are connected, we have a total shop space of 27 x 25 feet. The Library/Meeting Room is 20 x 25 feet. The computer Room is 15 x 25 feet. The computer here is linked to the one in Bruce's Batcave. The central hall is 7 x 70 feet. The Laboratory is 15 x 20 feet. The Trophy Room is 20 x 30 feet. The vehicle parking space/turntable is 20 x 25 feet. That's all that's in this Batcave, which only Bruce used. It doesn't have a gymnasium, locker rooms, a first aid area, equipment and disguise storage or rest rooms, all of which were in Bruce's penthouse or the Wayne Foundation Building. Since Barbara doesn't want to change upstairs when the others can't, the areas listed above, plus quarters and a garden will be through the portal. I'm in the process of creating them. Keep in mind that the portals were always there. They just weren't active until the Hellmouth had a fit. Comments are invited. If you want to comment on Hellmouth and Slayer-related stuff, check out the Sunnydale thread on the Champions forum.

Unfortunately, fcpages, where Matt has his account, doesn't allow hot linking to free accounts, and Matt's is a free one. Use your favorite search engine to find "the matt cave". There are links to Matt's Champions page and his Angel page, which has a lot of Buffy stuff there. Watch out for the pop-ups and the fact that they only allow a certain amount of download on each page each month.

I also agree with the comments about Wolfram & Hart. Good call, Chuckg. As far as the Slayer and her team goes, they patrol in groups of two and compare notes at headquarters later. The only time they're all patrolling together is when there is big trouble heading their way.

Based on Buffy crossover stories found at fanfiction.net, here's the Gotham vamp-busting team I came up with. A Jedi Knight/Slayer who carries a lightsaber as well as other vamp-killing tools. Her mother, a Jedi Knight (or is it Jedi Master) who, after coming to Earth 30-years ago, trained her daughter. Two mother-daughter teams of Amazon warriors, empowered by Artemis Herself. (Modern Amazons are decended from members of the Southern Greek Amazon tribe, led by Queen Gabrielle, who fled the Roman army while 200 Amazons held off 2 Roman legions. In the end, the Amazons died, as did half the Roman troops.) A sorceress with an 80-point VPP. A Watcher, who known computers and is an agent of the Trismegistus Council. Since Batman is aware of the undead and the fact that these people battle only them, I don't think he worries about them. PRIMUS and/or the DOSPA may even work with them. Comment is invited.

How's this? The Powers That Be empower the Slayers. There's one at each Hellmouth and others, roaming the world, dealing with whatever undead they come across. As far as the vamps themselves go, we use the ones from VtM. There's plenty of resources for it on the web and a system for converting it to Hero System. on a page linked to The Stuff Heroes Are Made Of website.

Good points from members of our learned group. According to Buffy's character sheet, as written by James Gillen and posted on Mike Surbrook's site, she is a heroic-level character. He also created a special martial arts form for Slayers. The maneuvers listed are, to quote him, "...based on Tae Kwon Do, the style actually used by Sarah Michelle Gellar". In order for a Slayer to work in a superhero universe, they need to be rewritten as a low-powered superhero. How would we do this? I also agree that there should be more than one. How many should there be and how does the Trismegistus Council decide where they go? Does each Slayer have her own Watcher? Who trains the Slayers? How do other supers and law enforcement agencies react to them? If there's a Slayer in the Gotham area, how would Batman react to her?

If Robin (Tim) died in combat and Bruce was crippled for life in the same combat and had his identity exposed on television, would the team use Bruce's cave? If so, aside from Alfred, how many people would be on the Bat Team's support staff and what positions would they fill? Assume that they see Bruce's nurse and Maggie, his secretary, when they come upstairs to visit him and that there is on staff, pretending to be Bruce's houseguest, is a woman that has a masters in electronics engineering and drives a Ford Probe GT in amateur races sanctioned by the Sports car Club of America, serving as Batman's engineer. She is skilled in both electronics engineering and vehicle maintance and built Batgirl's car, a 2001 Pontiac Ram-Air TransAm lookalike that has gadgets that would make Michael Knight and James Bond drool, by hand.

Assuming Slayers exist in the CU, or another universe with PRIMUS and the DOSPA, would the Slayers work with them? If so, which one(s)?

Okay, the team is using the backup Batcave, now Barbara Wilson's. (In the comics, Cassandra has her own cave.) Barbara isn't the scientist Bruce was, nor is she an engineer. She's just the socialite-daughter of a wealthy family with a penthouse in a wealthy neighborhood. Two days before Bruce, Dick (Nightwing), and Tim (Robin) vanished, a pulse of mystical energy (possibly, from the Hellmouth) rolled through Gotham. It created two gates. The first linked Barbara's apartment to the her Batcave. Only Barbara and her housekeeper can use it. The second linked Batgirl's cave to a pocket universe containing buildings from an earth where all life died out in the 1960s. Aside from a computer link to the system Batman uses, what's in Barbara's and what's in the other realm?

Blue, I like your idea. Think I'll use it. Barbara Gordon (Oracle) could've easily trained Barbara Wilson as the new Batgirl. (In the comics, she trained Cassandra Cain.) The team would, of course, use Bruce's Batcave. Besides Alfred, how many people would be on the support staff and what would their jobs be?

The idea that they knew Batman's ID was in the Mayfair book. Of course, that came out about 15-years ago. Universe-wise, we're in the movie one, after the fourth movie. Barbara Wilson, Alfred's neice, is Batgirl and she is a redhead and wears the same costume Barbara Gordon wore. Magic does exist in the universe. Batman occasionally visits occult expert Jason Blood, from the second animated series. He has met the Slayer (not Buffy) and knows that there's a Hellmouth in the Gotham area. (In the Buffyverse, we're after the show ended.) Would she be on the team? If the team has its own base, how many people would be on their support staff and what would their jobs be?

Hi all, In the 1980s, Mayfair produced a licensed DC superheroes RPG. As part of the second edition, they came up with a book entitled The Batman Role Playing Game. The idea they had follows. Batman, wondering who would protect Gotham if something happened to him, searched the nation's newspapers for reports of new superheroes. He contacted some and invited them to Gotham to join a team he was founding. He would provide them with jobs at Wayne Industries that didn't take up much time and arrange for their residences in the city. They would report to the Batcave every morning at 9 am for training. Batman would know their identities and they would know his. Would Batman do this? If so, since Batman has safehouse and vehicle caches and a second Batcave in the Gotham area, would they be based in his cave or their own? Before you answer, please note that we aren't in either the main DC universe or the main Champions universe. Yours, Mark Rand

Hi all. It just occurred to me how much Buffy and Black Scorpion have in common. Both live in cities with inept police officers and crooked politicians, both work at night and both are hunted, or, at least, watched, by the police. If they met, I think they'd get along. Yours, Mark Rand

Hi all, Good points from two of our learned panel. Yeah, I can see Batman and Buffy teaming up against the latest plot. He's the greatest detective in comics and she's the vampire expert. However, assuming Gotham's on the (or a) Hellmouth, would the Darknight Detective accept another hero on HIS turf? After all, he feels that Gotham is HIS to protect. As far as the stats go, I don't have links to them. Mike Surbrook has his own writeup of Buffy on his page and Mathew R. Ignash has writeups for all the characters on his pages. However, Matt's service provider has a limit on how much can be downloaded from each heroes page each month and the Buffy/Angel ones are at the limit. They should be available on 11/1. Matt also has a general Slayer writeup on his page. Yours, Mark Rand

Compared to a normal human, a Slayer is special. A Buffyverse vamp wouldn't give a four-color superhero any trouble, but they might give a street-level one some problems. A city like Sunnydale might attract only that kind of hero. Imagine Batman's surprise if he encountered one or more vampires, or a Slayer in action. Who would win a fight between Batman and either a Slayer or a vampire? I don't think it would be Batman.

I planned to use either Buffy characters or just the concepts in my campaign. Having Vampire, Vampire Slayer and Vengence Demon writeups on Matt's page makes such things easy. I'm just wondering if its possible to use Sunnydale itself as a superhero campaign setting.

I know. I wrote the posts mentioning them myself.