Not good is my Google-fu....

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I have been looking for some info circa 1930's and just cannot find any. It probably has to do with they way I am phrasing my searches.

 

What I am looking for is:

 

1) Crew list and job breakdown for a passenger liner.

 

2) The same for a small freighter which could take on passengers.

 

3) The same for passenger trains.

 

 

Any ideas/sources?

[Edsel]

Re: Not good is my Google-fu....

 

You are right those are tough subjects to find info on. I had a little luck with ships...

 

Several of the ships listed on this page were active during the between-the-wars era. It lists crew and passenger numbers for most of the ships. I hope it is of some help.

[Spence]

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Great sites, but not what I need.

 

I am in the process of building deck plans for use in PulpHero. I am trying to round out the roughs for two. One will be a trans-Atlantic liner. One of the smaller ones that can be adapted for world wide use. The other is a Passenger Rocket for SSatSPoA.

 

Coming up with crew and watch stations for a warship isn't hard. And it really wouldn't be that bad to make up those for a passenger liner. But I would like to get as close to authenticity as I can. Especially with the passenger handling part of the crew. I'd really like to be able to see the ratio of service crew to passenger.

[Basil]

Re: Not good is my Google-fu....

 

Great sites, but not what I need.

 

I am in the process of building deck plans for use in PulpHero. I am trying to round out the roughs for two. One will be a trans-Atlantic liner. One of the smaller ones that can be adapted for world wide use. The other is a Passenger Rocket for SSatSPoA.

 

Coming up with crew and watch stations for a warship isn't hard. And it really wouldn't be that bad to make up those for a passenger liner. But I would like to get as close to authenticity as I can. Especially with the passenger handling part of the crew. I'd really like to be able to see the ratio of service crew to passenger.

 

I've tried looking through the 1940 Encycopaedia Brritannica with no luck. The only relavant info I can find is some passenger&crew info for airships. Now, commercial airships of the period are more like small liners than like airplanes, so this might help with some ballpark numbers.

 

The Graf Zeppelin's first transatlantic flight had 20 passengers, some freight and mail, and 40 crew. Across eight years of service, it averaged 25 passengers, and had a crew compliment of 40 throughout that time.

 

Re. the Hindenburg, from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster

"It could carry 72 passengers (50 transatlantic) and had a crew of 61."

 

Oh, here's one re. ships:

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/kristianiafjord.htm

This is three lists covering all the crew of the Kristianiafjord, a ship that hit rocks off Newfoundland, but had no-one die. Note that the lists cover the crew as passengers on another ship. If you miss that part, it gets a little confusing.

 

From the same site, re a ship hit in 1905:

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/ParisianCollision.htm

" The Parisian had 740 passengers made up 440 in the steerage, 281 in the second cabin and 29 saloon. Her crew numbered 163, making a total of 903 souls on board. She had 300 tons of cargo for Halifax and 800 tons for the road. She had 268 bags of letters and 152 packages in the parcel post."

 

Indeed, the whole of:

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/Wrecks/index.htm

has a list of wrecks and such, more of which may have passenger and crew numbers. Most of the wrecks are from before the Pulp era, but could prove useful after all. In fact, some of them have a list of the names of those lost or saved.

 

Well, here's another:

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/shipdate.htm

This is a bunch of lists of crew and passengers in ships in Australian waters in the mid and late 1800's. It lists each crewmember's job, which you might find very helpful. Unfortunately, you have to go through quite a few layers to get the information. Still, I think it might be part, at least, of what you need. For instance, http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1884/03/010kat.htm tells us that in March 1884, the Katoomba had 39 crew (ranging from the captain to "donkeyman" and "lamp timmer") and 54 passengers (10 "saloon" and 44 steerage). I'll leave you to go prowling through the other lists.

 

One last one:

http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/r4.htm

History of a passenger/ferry ship from New Zealand. The number passengers and crew that could be carried varied through a long and interesting career. The page may be TMI for your purposes.

[Edsel]

Re: Not good is my Google-fu....

 

2) The same for a small freighter which could take on passengers.

Here is a link to a small freighter which had room for 30 passengers there are deck plans included that are fairly detailed.

[Spence]

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Basil, Edsel

 

Some excellent resources. They have exactly the type of info I was needing.

 

Thanks all

[gojira]

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I didn't see any trains listed. Here's a Wikipedia link to sleeping cars, and the very important search term "pullman" which is what a lot of these cars were called. Here's a more general link to trains, scroll down for passenger trains. Lots of other links on that page.