Twilight33 Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I am currently trying to make a duplication character for a friends game, but i am having trouble. what i want is to basicly be able to split my character into two new ones, and i am not seeing duplication letting me do this. do i need to use both multiform and duplication to get the effect i want? if anyone can give me a hand with this it would be much appreciated. also is their anyway to speed up the activation of duplication to a zero phase action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Re: Help with duplication Just to make sure I have it right: 1 Character splits and 2 Different Characters are there, with two completely different sets of Skills/et al.? In that case: Multiform;Instant Change with a Duplication;Unable To Recombine;100% Different as a Power will do the trick. This will mean the "second form" is really two different people (i.e. "Two Different Duplicates"); and it's a 0-Phase Action. Be REALLY CAREFUL. I know for a fact, from experience, that a Multiform with Duplication is an extremely powerful, and potentially unbalancing construct. I used to for a character whose alternate form was an Unkindness Of Ravens - worked beautifully for the effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight33 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Re: Help with duplication ya thats what i want. ill work with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. R Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Re: Help with duplication JBe REALLY CAREFUL. I know for a fact' date=' from experience, that a Multiform with Duplication is an extremely powerful, and potentially unbalancing construct. I used to for a character whose alternate form was an Unkindness Of Ravens - worked beautifully for the effect.[/quote'] Just out of curiosity how is it unbalancing? To me the point cost for both would make it hard to make a powerful PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Split Decision Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Re: Help with duplication Problems with Multiform and (more specifically) Duplication: You get three distinct skill and power sets; you get to use two or more characters, with potentially twice as many or more actions combined, as everyone else uses one; you get to neutralize any weaknesses any of the toons have by transforming to a toon that doesn't have that weakness. Here is an alternate construction for Duplication without using the power. IMO and I think there's evidence to support it, "duplication" is a special effect rather than a power as it is perceived and presented in the Hero system. I mean, good, use it if you want to, but it's not strictly necessary as a dedicated ability. The second superperson in the Dupe duo could be modelled by a Summon with a banishment Side Effect, linked to the Multiform; although it's a little more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Re: Help with duplication Just out of curiosity how is it unbalancing? To me the point cost for both would make it hard to make a powerful PC. The Duplication goes on the Second Form of the Multiform. Main Character: pays for Multiform Alternate Form: pays for Duplication. A few Limitations, and each one only soaked up about 50 Points for the Multiform and Duplication respectively. You can get a lot of power in that. My character didn't cause a lot of problems, but they definitely had a distinct edge as one form was optimized for Combat, another for Recon, another for stealth, and a the primary for social interaction. Any one of those doesn't take too many points to put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight33 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Re: Help with duplication the character i plan on building is a combination speedster/brick. the power i want will basicly split him into specialized versions of each. IE a pure brick and a pure speedster. after reviewing everything what you have posted gives me exactly what i want. balance isnt really a problem, i and my GM are both aware how easy it is to break the game. all of his players including me are keeping ourselves in check. we also have a small group and as i am the one with the most hero system experience everyone has agreed that i should make a character to help solve that problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Re: Help with duplication If the groups cool with it, then there will likely be no problems at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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