Susano Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Re: House Rules In through the eye or the ear. Referred to as "soft tissue" for a reason. 'Course, with Superman you'd need a kryptonite bullet. Then all tissue is soft. Except Marvel has stated that Colossus, for example, can take a .45 round to the eye in his living steel form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Re: House Rules ...and when he's unconscious, he reverts to flesh form. Which is the basis of the debate. Killing someone that is helpless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Re: House Rules ...and when he's unconscious' date=' he reverts to flesh form. Which is the basis of the debate. Killing someone that is helpless.[/quote'] Hmm... it's been some time, but I thought he didn't revert... but then, this is the X-Men, who have had a lot of variation in their powers over the years. That said, I know there are certain Marvel characters who don't have soft tissue in the manner your speaking. So... I guess it is a logic call—does it seem logical to be able to kill sample helpless NPC with the powers and weapons at hand? In a fantasy game, the answer should usually be "yes." Unless all you have is a small knife, you should be able to find a weak spot in most any foe with which to dispatch them. The same goes for a pulp or Dark Champions game. Champions? That can be a tough one. Especially if you're playing Galactic Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Re: House Rules Yep. Has to be answered, seriously, on a per character basis within genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Re: House Rules ...and when he's unconscious' date=' he reverts to flesh form. Which is the basis of the debate.[/quote'] Not really. "Reverts to flesh form" is an example of nonpersistent defense. Nobody has any problems (mechanically) with being able to kill unconscious people in that case, though I also think shouldn't be able to ignore their BODY while doing so. The problem is killing people with persistent defenses. If you have a weakness in your defenses such that a part of your body can be targeted when unconscious you should either make your defenses and/or BODY nonpersistent or take a physical complication. Otherwise, there is no mechanical basis in Hero for having such a weakness. If Colossus doesn't revert while unconscious, you should be as helpless to kill him as you are while he's awake. In a fantasy game, you should be able to kill helpless characters, but only because they're wearing "real" armor with a limitation. If they had persistent defenses without such a limitation, like an ice troll with super-hard skin or a wizard with a "force field" spell, that's defense you shouldn't be able to ignore. If you're going to run a Champions game that way, tell the players to buy all of their defenses with the Nonpersistent limitation, or have a campaign limit on how much persistent defense you can have. Since buying up BODY is the inevitable side-effect of campaign guidelines like that, you can even limit their BODY characteristic just to make sure the PCs are as vulnerable as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Re: House Rules And you obviously missed the two posts above yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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