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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever He was downplaying the story of the special creation of Mjolnir, the magical properties of Uru, even the mechanical advantage of Thor hitting with an indestructible hammer. Basically, he was saying Thor's fist hits as hard as Thor's hammer as far as I read. If he corrected himself later, cool. But I lost patience with his explanations as I've read old Thor comics too.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever I hadn't thought about the pizza thing but it occurs to me now that Chuckg may have the answer he was looking for. Firelord was suffering from low blood sugar.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Wow, I don't really have a problem with the notion that Supes can withstand a blow from Mjolnir much as the Hulk or Gladiator can. But Busiek is on drugs when he talks about the "properties" of Mjolnir.

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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever I don't think so. Brains don't go mush in super hard skulls in mainstream comics.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever No, we don't need to narrow it down like that because we can't. It's two-dimensional. Not to mention that you're trying to use a pretty exacting notion of physics for a comic book. This isn't about counting punches or measuring weights. It's about who Spidey can hurt and who else it takes to hurt who Spidey can hurt and who can hurt Firelord who has hurt Firelord. Everything else is a distraction.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Is it just me or is there a train on top of Spidey in one of the panels on the scan in post #1219?

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Sure, in general. I don't think it's so good in the context of those scans we saw.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever And could you stop using the crude acronyms?

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Herc would eventually take him in a fistfight quite a bit more often than not.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Would you please stop mischaracterizing the comparisons being made. The comparisons have been made concerning how hard Spidey hits and how hard a hit Firelord can take.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever A scientist is a scientist in comics. Pym was an entomologist who figured out how to make himself shrink and give himself telepathy. Oh yeah, and writers and artists will fudge quite a bit to tell the reader what is going on.

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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever I sincerely doubt any comics writer or artist worries as much about that as gamers do.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever The first panel of the first scan sure does lead me to believe there is a heckuva lot of weight on Spidey's shoulders. As to the bridge vs. being crushed down onto all fours after taking some of the impact of the collapse - I don't think there's much we can judge by to figure out how much greater a feat the bridge was. I can squat a lot more than my bodyweight but I'd have trouble being pressed down in an awkward position from less weight. IOW, you're taking those two panels way to seriously as a way to judge relative super-strength. Another problem with your fixation on proportional strength is that lifting strength isn't the only thing that determines how hard you hit. I'd have to say Spidey's probably got about as good a set of body mechanics as any super for using his strength to its optimum.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever True to Form

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Your interpretation of Spidey's lift at Penn Station doesn't match up with mine.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever How big do you that bridge is as many trolls as you think live under it? Sometimes the troll is the one who accuses others of trolling as it suits them to so accuse.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever You picked up on the weird legalistic assumptions based on etherial thinking too, eh.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Paranoia will destroy ya. How about we think it's silly that you put us on ignore, firstly, and secondly that you still respond to us. Nobody's rigging anything on that score.

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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Okay, check out that comic book where Spider-Man barrages Firelord with a rain of blows - there you go - soemthing explicity, non-ambiguously, drawn on the page.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Spider-Man is quick though. And Firelord isn't. And that means they can use that 'artistic convention' to demonstrate a rain of blows.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever You really need to take us off of ignore if you wish to comment on our posts. What Gary is pointing out by using the "count" method that you proposed is tha the "count" method would backfire against your case. It's not an attempt to accept your criteria. It's showing how your criteria works against you.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever You get a lot more PMs than I do.