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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Don't distort the argument you don't like just because you don't like it. And Chuckg has cited inconsistency as the basis of the poor writing. There is no inconsistency.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Strange. I've been in a couple of fights where the adrenalin rush made me get a wierd kind of nervous laugh and I "zone out". My friends who witnessed this said I handled myself quite well at that point but I was obviously not clear-headed in the sense of conscious self-control - and I don't have Spider-Senses.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Yep, I agree Thor is more powerful than Firelord.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever It would definitely be over 15 tons. Gary's math worked to over 100 tons even if it wasn't solid. Again, it's a false point because Spider-Man has been described as being able to lift anywhere from 10 to 20 tons by Marvel. Marvel doesn't understand what things weigh. Those are actually 10 to 20 Marvel Tons and the multiple is difficult to pin down but is several times over at the least.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Batman doesn't have Spider-Strength and Firelord is not Superman.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever You won't be buying a lot of Spider-Man issues because Marvel seriously underestimated the weight of objects with their tonnage classification for supers.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Therein lies your problem. The handbooks, and the people who put them together admitted this, described the characters in an arbitrary manner. Spider-Man isn't the only character who time and again has consistently out-performed the description of the character in the OHOTMU. Don't let a one or two or three page, one-shot description define a character that has hundreds and hundreds of stories told that contradict the description.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Spider-Man's a lot more complicated than that.

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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever 100 real tons? Spiderman? Yes. I think you guys are a bit confused about what 15 Marvel Tons means.

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Re: Worst comic book superfight ever That's the ticket!

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Please. The case that Andrew and Gary and Hugh and several others hasn't really changed. What has changed is the way you guys choose to try to make it be something else. 1. Spider-Man has demonstrated he can put a hurt on guys who can take a typical shot or two from folks like Thor or Hulk. 1a. Spidey is stronger than you guys would like to think and can push and has pushed on plenty of occasions. 1b. Just because he can put a hurt on someone that can take a typical shot or two from the Hulk or Thor doesn't mean we are arguing that his punches are equivalent to Hulk's or Thor's. 2. Spider-Man has demonstrated startling agility and speed and has unleashed a barrage of blows on his opponents. 3. Firelord can be put down by Thor with one good hit. 4. Firelord has not demonstrated that he is automatically more resistant to phusical blows than folks like the Rhino. 5. Spidey can put some hurt on Firelord with an all-out punch. 6. Spidey can deliver a barrage of hurtful punches on Firelord and avoid getting hit in return if he really pours it on, enough to KO Firelord. 7. It takes more hits from Spidey than Thor to KO Firelord but it can be done. 8. Firelord doesn't indiscriminately use area effect attacks to kill annoying supers and half of an inhabited neighborhood and he makes threats he doesn't intend on following through with when he's mad - like most people. 9. Firelord is a hothead and doesn't exactly use the best tactics when angry. 10. This has all been demonstrated in the comic books.

Re: College Professor Skill Level I didn't make the split so clear cut. There was plenty of qualification for someone reading my post if they wanted to see it.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Wasn't she called something like Golden Granny?

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Of course. After all, she was a Herald of Galactus. I guess that means Spidey can't even win a fight with his weak, old Aunt.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever No one is claiming that he is Class 100. It doesn't take Class 100 to lift 100 tons if someone is pushing beyond their normal limits - something comic book characters do consistently although not routinely.

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Re: New Teen Champions: Ravenswood Academy I haven't put off the PBEM. I'm waiting for clarification on the Image Inducers before I make my entrance.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Do you read comic books?

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever Nope, you distorted what he said to build a straw man to make him look stupid and make your case easier to win. That's trolling... and wishful thinking... or dishonest.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever I call them Marvel Tons because the tonnage they describe in OHOTMU is certainly underestimating the real tonnage of objects.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever You know, the concept of the "push" was added to Supers games to emulate precisely these kinds of events in comic books.

Re: Worst comic book superfight ever So, you're just going to repeat yourself?