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Re: CHAR: Thor. (Marvel Style) Thor has breathed in space a whole bunch of times, he seems to just be able to do it. (He also didn't have trouble breathing during his magma dunk, and so forth). As for his enraged, it generally seems to have to involve something like Sif being threatened, or Thor going full bore insane, but he ocassionally enters a state called "Warrior Madness" which is hard for him to get out of. When he entered it when insane, his strength actually went up. It's rare though, and somewhat plot devicish, and considering I can only think of like.. two times it happened, I don't think it needs to be an actual power of his, or requires a disad, really. If you wanted it though, it would be something of very high diff to go into, likely revolve around jealousy of something involving Sif/a threat to Sif/personal humiliation, and have a high diff to get out of.

Re: CHAR: Thor. (Marvel Style) I'm going to suprise you and actually agree with the ego rating. Thor's a resilient fella and all, but all kinds of people have danced around his head. Powerful ones, sure, but they've still done it. As for the resistant defenses, I'd say he has a good share of em. Some depictions of Thor may not be completely bullet proof, but a whole bunch are. And some damage he's taken would have to be straight up killing.

Re: CHAR: Captain America Of course, in an even earlier appearance than the Gladiator incident, when Iron Fist does an IF strike on the shield, Cap goes flying, though the shield ensures the damage is blocked.

Re: CHAR: Thor. (Marvel Style) I'd still say put it at 115 or 120, if you've got Superman's at 125 in your writeups. That said, he's also managed to budge the Midgard Serpent, which considering it's all planetish size, likely a wee shade over 100 tons, to put it mildly.

Re: CHAR: Thor. (Marvel Style) The handbooks are rather notoriously unreliable and innaccurate compared to stuff that actually goes on in the comics

Re: CHAR: Thor. (Marvel Style) Guh.. It's hard to peg. He's managed to trade shots with the Hulk and Hercules and so forth sans hammer. I'd say he's stronger than Wonder Woman, but not quite as physically strong as Superman. Umm... Maybe 120. Or 115.

Re: CHAR: Thor. (Marvel Style) Oh man.. good luck to you if you want to make this a Thor who can do the stuff he was doing in the silver age. Or them Avengers annuals where he'd do crazy crap like contain explosions that were going to take out 1/8th of the universe. Or even the bullet proof, nuke enduring, dip himself into magma and come right back out unscathed Thor.. Or the Thor who can freeze and travel through time.. Or..

Re: CHAR: Captain America Not really. SHIELD's been pretty chummy with him lately actually as far as working with him on the Winter Soldier thing and giving him files on it. Though that might change with them for some demented reason sending Nick Fury underground for the eight hundred millionth time for no reason. This is also admittedly if you ignore New Avengers, where SHIELD is apparently all rival factions and corrupt and.. something.

Re: CHAR: Captain America Looks decent, though like with Batman, I still think the ego is kinda low, though less so. Cap's one of those guys with the legendary willpower and all. Admittedly has less willpower feat kinds of things than Bats though.

Re: [interest in an online game?] Avengers: Generation 3 pm sent

Re: [interest in an online game?] Avengers: Generation 3 Cool, that indeed frees up 3 points for taking a PS I wanted. Musician, to note. Yeah, Kolbrandr played guitar, jammin good with Wierd and Gilly

Re: CHAR: Captain America Kinda sorta not really. One of the guys in his "team" the Crew was at one point Black Panther when T'challa was presumed dead, but then became the White Tiger, further confusing things with that there are a bunch of people under that moniker.

Re: [interest in an online game?] Avengers: Generation 3 That's short 2 points from my math, maybe buff two of the two point skills to three points (paramedics and the ks or something).

Re: [interest in an online game?] Avengers: Generation 3 Well cool, thanks for the pick, and it looks like a neat team overall. Did you decide what was in the Avengers package yet any by the by?

Re: CHAR: Captain America Here, though the accuracy isn't quite top notch Isaiah Bradley, the original test subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley Josiah X, his kid: http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Justice_%28Josiah_X%29 Patriot, his (Josiah's) nephew: http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Patriot_%28Elijah_Bradley%29 Josiah is the one who worked with War Machine, who is sort of Iron Man. Ish.

Re: CHAR: Captain America Yeah, that was part of a really painful retcon where Cap was not the first supersoldier, the government secretly experimented on African American soldiers beforehand, killing and messing up a lot of them. One of them happened to have the serum actually take, or something, and it similarly manifested in his son. Somethingish like that. I'm sketchy on the full details.

Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Actually, good luck statting Wanda at that. There's actual magic user Wanda with mystical senses and everything. There's just mutant probability manipulating, hex bolt throwing Wanda. There's my god Bendis is a hack functionally omnipotent Wanda..

Re: The Marvel Magnificent Seven (Avengers) Hulk was really briefly an Avenger, I wouldn't call him essential. Amusingly, most of the sheer powerhouses that have been Avengers that could stand up to members of the JLA, I wouldn't call iconic as far as recognition (I mean, he's one of my favourites, but how many people really know who Quasar is and what his powers are?). I'd replace Hulk with Scarlet Witch, she's been a big time active Avenger for a good long while, longer and more consistently than her brother even. Other than that, those are indeed the big Avengers mainstays. Good luck statting Thor though, his various Mjolnir feats are outright demented.

Re: CHAR: Batman His ego and mental defense are kinda low if you're doing Grant Morrisson "I endured Desaad's torture for years without breaking, then secretly replaced him" Batgod. Otherwise looks good.

Re: Is defeating a Master Villain sometimes counterproductive? As opposed to you hurling around personal insults? You really think yourself immaculate in conduct? I think at this point I have to agree with the guy who summed up your posting as "whine whine, gripe gripe, rant rant". Clearly assuming you're capable of discussion is apparently just a mistake. Because it will clearly be impossible that said groups will prep anything to resist it with? Because I /didn't/ say that all they have to do is last long enough for one particular team or group to do the big unorthodox thing typical of comics in order to win? Note some of the other big described fights. That's how the CU won. Against V'han, they bought time while others rushed to find reassemble an ancient Lemurian weapon. Against Tyrannon, the magical girl from the Champions unleashed power well beyond her capacity, sacrificing her life and ending the current age of magic. You really don't think Takofanes would be defeated by something like that? You don't think concern for something like that going down is why Master Villains pick and choose their fights, if they're smart? Your requirement is that they do nothing but meet their enemy in some brawl and die. They can't plan or do much beforehand, apparently. There would decidedly be no equivalent to someone being convinced to amp people up ala Highfather to let them last longer. The defensive efforts that secret superhuman cities and magical civlizations could provide would fold up in seconds. And it was way beyond what the DCU was capable of in that they needed someone from another functional universe to make it go. It otherwise required...what amounted to advanced technology well below the scale of Galactus or even Doctor Doom's personal tech closet. If Animal Man and the others who came up with the idea was in the CU, are you telling me they couldn't find some kind of wacky cosmic and prevail upon them for help to make such an effort go? The collected energy of the Star*Guards? The fellow deities of Ma'at?

Re: Is defeating a Master Villain sometimes counterproductive? No, silver age Superman is who he beat up. Let's see.. Thor's record on the Hulk is at best even with him having been knocked out a few times by the guy, a rival Celtic God just literally killed him in Blood Oath (who given that Hogun the Grim drove him off by dropping a car on him, not Surtur or Ymir), Loki once took on Beta Ray Bill and Masterson Thor at once and took them both out with them not coming back later to win, Gladiator knocked out Thor in two to three punches, Thor later winning the rematch in a fight that occured later by using repeated energy blasts, after a fight Gladiator went through where he got hit so hard by someone else that his blood was dripping off their weapon in gobbets... Which of course doesn't change that Thor /lost/ the first fight, and won the second, which came soon after a different fight Gladiator got into, by mostly flaring away with energy blasts to keep him stunned and off balance and hurting for hammer blows. That's just off the top of my head, as far as Bill and Thor. And you'd be wrong. Thanos for example is nowhere near Galactus in power, and he's beaten the Silver Surfer to death, one shot shattered barriers Thor, the Hulk, Hercules, Havok, Storm, Jean Grey, Collossus, the Thing, and several others smashing on at once couldn't budge, knocked out Drax "I rip apart suns" the Destroyer, smacked around Thor with eyebeams before multiple power ups, gestured and sent a charged up Mjolnir to the ground, dispelling the charge, and what have been retconned as clones of his have required things like Thor being powered up by Odin's own gear to take on, the Hulk having to be amped by Nate freakin Grey just to fight when not even fully in this dimension, to drive back from it. The Surfer, who can shatter planets, has point blank fragged him to no effect. He's taken on the Hulk, Thing, Thor and Hercules in hand to hand, at once, and they've failed to do anything to him to put him down, they themselves during the fight needing things like saves from Quasar to stop from being hurled and smashed around. Moreover, the JLA have their usual record of needing to take on Despero en masse, and even then, not doing so hot. There are plenty of not Galactus villains who outclass the heroes not by a small amount. Or there's the Overmind. The Overmind can't mentally control Eternals due to genetic quirk. The Overmind has had his mental domination bounce off the defenses of the Quantum bands. The Overmind routinely loses to the Stranger. These are not the hallmarks of a true cosmic god. And yet the Overmind took the best efforts of the Fantastic Four+Doctor Doom+technology worked on by both Reed and Doom and stomped them all down. The Hulk and Hyperion have at once thrown their strongest punches in the Overmind's face to no effect. The Overmind's response being to one shot them down, the Hulk at that point right out of the fight, and Hyperion commenting that he feels nearly dead.

Re: Is defeating a Master Villain sometimes counterproductive? Was done by Animal Man, the technology of Wonder Woman's people, Black Lightning, and a guy from practically another universe. Animal Man, if you're saying no one is more powerful than him in the CU, that's hilarious. Black Lightning, also low on the totem pole. Wonder Woman's people's tech? Wouldn't put it past Arcadia. And a guy from practically another universe? The DCU doesn't have regular access to Wonderworld, so they had help well beyond what they can normally do. The wacky notion of scrambling for allies and help again. And you haven't explained you fobbing off from saying the world being terrified of them, so that's ok. Nor what it would mean if the totals of not simply implied and unstatted, but statted to be examples among many heroes at or over their point level break, let's say, 25-30. And they got together to kick Eurostar's face in. There are no believable personages that can stop things like Mageddon, Zero Hour Parallax, Pre Crisis Darkseid, Galactus and so forth, as far as innate power, and yet, they get and got stopped routinely. How is that? Pre crisis Darkseid would beat up Superman for sport, actually. Really? That why multiple GLs had to fight the retconned Parallax and barely won? Is that why Despero stomped all over a JLA that included Hal Jordan? Despero being not so much a cosmic being. Do you want a list of all the people who've beaten or matched them? It's rather long.

Re: Is defeating a Master Villain sometimes counterproductive? And just to say? Most epic villains worth their salt know that that's the kind of crap heroes pull in response to them, which is why they generally try and wait to attack until they think they have something resembling a surefire plan with contingencies for something like, say, the heroes convincing the collected population of Arcadia to take to the field. Or, there's a reason Destroyer felt the world was challenging enough to want to have years and years and years to improve himself.

Re: Is defeating a Master Villain sometimes counterproductive? You've yet to respond to the notion of crazy ideas like plans, armies, allies, supernatural backers and the like. You've yet to respond to the notion of things like the Great Darkness Saga for how their plots went, and why it would so horrifyingly offend you if Takofanes were to lose in a similar fashion. You've yet to respond to the notion of things like there being extant comic plots where the heroes do call on the aforementioned to back them in a time where they would otherwise lose. Hell, against Mageddon, the JLA had to give superpowers to all of planet earth just to win. That aint normally expressed in someone's powers. You seem completely incapable of accepting the notion that maybe Master Villains like Takofanes are there to be defeated in ways like that. Despite comics. Despite the coventions of them, and despite that this is a supers game. That maybe he's statted the way he is in order to represent being that. By the way, Tetsuronin is almost 1200 points, and is called one of Earth's most powerful superheroes, not Earth's most powerful superhero. I am thusly curious how you know for dead certain there aint more powerful than him out there.

Re: Is defeating a Master Villain sometimes counterproductive? And yet somehow it doesn't say that there numbers weren't replaced, or that the world fell into chaos in the interim. Right, right "PIS! PIS!" I'm curious, do you /try/ and approximate the feel of comics when running a comic book rpg, or do you just mostly curse the lot of them out as illogical and beneath your sense of consistency?