Constantine

I just read the stretching FAQ, and this issue isn't covered, so I thought I'd ask for an official ruling. If you buy stretching area of effect, or explosion, does that mean you could use your strength as an area of effect or explosion?

If you buy it does not cross intervening spaces, is your "limb" ever vulnerable to attack?

Thanks.

Re: Area of Effect Stretching?

Thanks, Mikey, I just didn't want that aspect of things forgotten for other, new posters...

Re: Okay, smart guys, a challenge:

Nexus,

Love the sig.

Re: Area of Effect Stretching?

What about the area of effect aspect of things??

Re: Why the heck not?

Wouldn't BOECV mean the RKA (and for that matter the EB) wouldn't do BODY damage without adding in the 'Does BODY' advantage? I'd have to look that up.

I have to look at a book, too, but I think that based on ECV doesn't change the defense the attack is applied too, but only the why the attack is targeted. So, it would do body normally. To change the defense, you'd have to buy AVLD, and I think an AVLD applied to mental defense will still do body, because its not REALLY a mental power. Which is why it says you can buy resistant power, mental, and flash defense...

Re: Area of Effect Stretching?

 

1. If you can target the attacking limb, what happens if you grab it?

 

2. The fact that the limb doesn't cross the intervening space does not mean that it becomes any more indirect than it is at present: it couldn't penetrate an enclosing force bubble, for instance, but could go round a force wall just like normal stretching would. If it did it couldn't get increased velocity damage as it isn't a 'direct' attack (but see bleow on that anyway).

 

3. If the limb doesn't cross intervening space does that mean it can not gain the increased stretching damage as the limb is not necessarily any longer than usual in fact?

1. Very interesting point! I guess the limb would be stuck there..., and he'd be unable to use it for anything else, but you wouldn't really be able to pull him to you, unless the special effect supported it.

2. Well, I believe the advantage does state that streching is inherently indirect, so, it would go through a force wall, etc.

3. Yes, I think I would have to work that way, but it is an advantage, and I hate to limit a power because of an advantage...

One of the examples they give for this power is a martial arts strike, where the martial artist punches the air, and the effect travels to his victim. For my money, this should be hand attack, bought ranged and indirect. The does not cross intervening space really opens up a can of worms...

I have a couple of questions I'd like the board to ponder. 1) If you buy area of effect stretching, does this allow you to use your full strength area of effect? 2) If you buy stretching with the advantage that makes it so your limb doesn't actually go through the intervening space, can your "limb" still be attacked at the other end, during your attack? How would blocking work?

Re: Game-Time Pop-Quiz for GM's

Huh, that makes no sense. In one case a manuever's modifiers make something not AP, but in another, you still get the AP. I think in both cases, it should have to work the same way....

Re: Why the heck not?

When we're playing' date=' it doesn't take 3 phases for the battlefield to dissolve into chaos, and that is without mental powers on either side.[/quote']

 

To borrow a line: "Boy, you ain't kiddin'!"

Re: Is this an Advantage, or a Limitation... or neither?

To Purgatory With You!: Extra-Dimensional Movement (Single Dimension, Any Location corresponding to current physical location), Usable As Attack (+1), Leaves Behind Insensate and Vulnerable Meatbody (+1) (66 Active Points); Limited Power: Victim Must Be Unconscious (-1)

 

Reasonable?

 

Richard

I find this reasonable, because they are already unconscious/asleep or whatever. They are basically at your mercy anyway, but I'd probably make it extra time, so it can't be done in combat. I wouldn't even make it a +1 advantage for leaving behind a vulnerable meat body, I mean, you could've killed them...

or, better yet

To purgatory with you! Plot device, I could've killed him anyway, takes extra time (5 minutes), 0 points

Re: New to HERO and looking for advice on some issues...

In regards to the initiative question, I just recently joined a game to has a house rule that you role 1d6/5 pts. of dex, and use that as the intiatve for the combat. Its a kind of experiment. We are also experimenting with everyone having a 3 speed, and not having to pay for it, but I'll leave before I'm accused of hearesy...

Re: Why the heck not?

That not a white flag! That's mocking! MOCKING!

Re: Why the heck not?

To take a stupid' date=' but entirely appropriate example, why not allow BODY to be the characteristic governing targeting? It costs the same as Ego and (Dex - Spd), and is rarely higher than either?[/quote']

 

It is a bad example, because it makes no sense. Allowing ego to target a "mental blast" can. Okay, so Dex and Ego are the same cost, but lets consider how useful Dex is. A lot more skills are based on dex then on ego, dex determines how often you are hit about 75% of the time, even if your character is a mentalist, dex determines who acts first in each phase, etc. Even though they maybe the same cost, dex is a lot more useful than ego. I wouldn't have a problem with someone determining that ego targets an eb. But once you define it that way, no take backs. If someone drains your ego, you can't switch back to dex for targeting. Didn't someone quote the rules saying that eb "defaults" to dex for targeting? Doesn't that mean that other options can be considered?

 

Besides, what is all the moaning about points, we all know we can munchkin-build obscene power/characters for a lot less points than your average pc. Just because two things are equal in points doesn't mean they are equally effective.

Re: OIF for Powered Armor why?

That's suggested somewhere in the previous pages - if you don't want it to be possible to have powered armor that cannot removed (OIHID' date=' for example) because you consider that "too Four Colour", and you don't want powered armor formed out of nanobots in a character's bloodstream (no limitation whatsoever) for the same reason, simply apply the toolkit and make it a campaign rule that "All powered armor shall be OIF, and other concepts of powered armor are not permitted in this game".[/quote']

 

Zigactly. Then, also announce that you will be strictly enforcing the focus rules (which is what it seems LB is really after) and we can end this entire thread...

Re: Question about resistant defenses with power defense and others

If you bought an RKA or HKA AVLD, I believe it would apply itself to the resistant limited defenses....

Ouch.