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Re: Star Frontiers I agree in principle with the Charges never recovers it just doesnt seem quit right...BUT, there is only 1 injection with a standard pack..so the charge would be 1. The problem I have is that normal Limitation Charges are how many uses PER DAY it can be used..so a charge of 1 means the character gets 1 per day...its never gone..every day it reconstitutes itself for a never ending supply..one injection per day...even if I bump the lim on the time table..eventually..it comes back. I want the injection to be used up and make the character have to do something in game to replenish his supply, and thus..the Charges never recover limitation. What do you think? Am I missing a rule about Charges someplace?

Staydose STAYDOSE: Staydose puts a character to sleep for 24 hours, slows down his heartbeat and breathing, and helps stop bleeding. If a character's BODY has been reduced to O or less, a Staydose injection will stop bleeding and can be given to keep the character alive until he is taken to a hospital. Game Information: Major Transformation, 4d6 (Turns target into sleep-like suspended animated state, Heals back in 24 hours or stimdose injection); Continuous (+1) (120 Active Points); OAF (-1), No Range (-1/2), Limited Target (Living beings)(-1/4), 1 Charge which Never Recovers (-4), Side Effect (see text;-0). Total Cost 18 points. Still not sure about the 1 charge which never recovers

Stimdose STIMDOSE: A Stimdose injection stops bleeding and prevents shock and includes stimulants and immunoboosters to accelerate the body’s natural healing process for 3 hours. However, not only does this make the person receiving the dose extremely hungry and lethargic (the character must rest for 6 hours once the dose effect has worn off), it can have adverse mental effects if used too often. Each dose after the first a character received during a 24-hour period, the GM should roll 3d6. On an 11-, the character loses ½ d6 INT for 6d6 hours. For each use beyond the second, increase the roll by 2 (13-, 15- and so on). A Stimdose injection will not raise a character's current number of BODY or STUN points above his original score. A Stimdose will not revive a character whose BODY has been reduced to 0 or less. It will revive a character that was knocked unconscious by a doze grenade, but will not restore any BODY or STUN points to the character. Game Information: Simplified Healing 2d6 (20 Active Points); OAF (-1), 1 Charge which Never Recovers (-4), Side Effect (see text;-0). Total Cost 3 points. Not sure about the 1 Charge which Never Recovers...

Re: Star Frontiers Seeker Missiles Does anyone have a write up for seeker missles? This is what I have been using but I'm not sure I have covered all the bases. The game assumes 1 hex = 10,000 km by the way and I hope this editor keeps the vehicle layouts right..if not just work with it. Seeker missiles. LTD / RA: 0 / DMG 15d6+1 RKA AP Seeker missiles are placed the same way mines are; the launching player can put them in a hex before a battle begins, or a ship that carries seekers can drop them at any time. Once a seeker missile is placed, it will not move until it is activated. The player that places a seeker can active it at the beginning of his phase on any turn. Immediately after it is activated, the seeker will move two hexes toward the closest ship. On the next phase, the seeker will move four hexes toward the closest ship. It will continue accelerating at the rate of two hexes per turn, and can make an unlimited number of facing changes to keep itself aimed at the nearest ship. Note that the seeker may change targets many times, because a different ship may be closest to it at the beginning of each phase. The seeker cannot tell the difference between friendly and enemy ships, and will always fly toward the closest ship. If two or more ships are an equal distance from the seeker, players should roll a die to determine which ship the missile will aim at. A seeker detonates as soon as it enters a hex containing a ship, or a ship enters the hex containing the activated seeker. If the hex contains more than one ship, the seeker will attack the largest. If the two largest ships are the same size, players should roll a side to determine which ship the missile attacks. On the end of the phase that a seeker moves 12 hexes, it will automatically detonate. If there is no ship within range at that time, the explosion will do no damage. Seekers will not be attracted to planets, moons, asteroids, or space stations. Seeker Missile Val Char Cost Notes 0 Size 0 .5â€x.5â€; -0 KB; -0 DCV 10 STR 0 Lift 100 kg; 2d6 HTH 20 DEX 30 OCV: 7/DCV: 7 10 BODY 0 5 DEF 9 12 SPD 90 P:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 Total Char Cost: 129 Movement: Ground: 0†Flight: 2†MegaScale Abilities & Equipment Cost Power 5 Engine: Flight 2â€, MegaScale (1†= 10,000 km; +1 ¼), Cumulative Acceleration (+1/4), No Turn Mode (+1/4); 1 Continuing Fuel Charge (easy-obtained fuel, 1 turn; -1), Only In space (-1/4) -12 Only Flies: Running -6†(0†total) -2 Only Flies: Swimming -2†(0†total) 63 Warhead: RKA 15d6+1, Armor Piercing (+1/2); No Range (-1/2), 1 Charge which Never Recovers (-4) 87 Radar Array: Multipower, 87-point reserve 3u 1) Close-Range Seeker: Radar (Radio Group), Discriminatory, Analyze 9u 2) Far-Range Seeker: Radar (Radio Group), Discriminatory, Analyze, Megascale (1†= 10,000 km, can Scale down to 1†= 1 km; +1 1/2) Total Abilities & Equipment Cost: 153 Total Vehicle Cost: 282 Value Disadvantages 15 Physical Limitation: Can be Missile Deflected by Vehicle (Frequently, Greatly Impairing) Total Disadvantage Points: 15 Total Cost: 267/5 = 53

That's a nice start. I do have a question for you. In your game, how often do you award experience and how much XP do you usually award? Going by the standard xp rules it seems to me that will will take a truely LONG time to gain enough xp to mimic some of the classes and abilitied in Forgotten Realms, especially for spellcasters to start to create magic items.

I think I'm going to give up using the NK's look and feel for building spaceships and just go native with HERO's format. The NK system just doesnt convert well. I do want to maintain the NK's look and feel for spaceship combat so I'm going to stick with the original Star Hero format but instead of using THR (thrust) I'm going to limit ships flying movement to Megascale 1" equal's 10,000Kms for normal flight and 1 FTL/Day Jump Speed. Once I work out the narrative I will post here for your review...

Knight Hawks to Hero conversion Based on the above post this is what I've come up with for vehicle SIZE conversions for the KH's base ships: Hull Size: (1) DIMENSIONS*: 10 / 2 Volume(m3): 31.42 Area(m): 69 Vehicle Size: 7 Hull Size: (2) DIMENSIONS*: 30 / 5 Volume(m3): 589.05 Area(m): 511 Vehicle Size: 10 Hull Size: (3) DIMENSIONS*: 50 / 8 Volume(m3): 2513.27 Area(m): 1357 Vehicle Size: 13 Hull Size: (4) DIMENSIONS*: 75 / 12 Volume(m3): 8,482.30 Area(m): 3,054 Vehicle Size: 15 Hull Size: (5) DIMENSIONS*: 100 / 15 Volume(m3): 17,671.46 Area(m): 5,066 Vehicle Size: 16 Hull Size: (6) DIMENSIONS*: 130 / 20 Volume(m3): 40,840.70 Area(m): 8,769 Vehicle Size: 17 Hull Size: (7) DIMENSIONS*: 150 / 25 Volume(m3): 73,631.08 Area(m): 12,763 Vehicle Size: 18 Hull Size: (8) DIMENSIONS*: 180 / 30 Volume(m3): 127,234.50 Area(m): 18,378 Vehicle Size: 19 Hull Size: (9) DIMENSIONS*: 210 / 35 Volume(m3): 202,043.68 Area(m): 25,015 Vehicle Size: 20 Hull Size: (10) DIMENSIONS*: 240 / 40 Volume(m3): 301,592.89 Area(m): 32,673 Vehicle Size: 21 Hull Size: (11) DIMENSIONS*: 270 / 45 Volume(m3): 429,416.45 Area(m): 41,351 Vehicle Size: 22 Hull Size: (12) DIMENSIONS*: 300 / 50 Volume(m3): 589,048.62 Area(m): 51,051 Vehicle Size: 22 Hull Size: (13) DIMENSIONS*: 340 / 55 Volume(m3): 807,782.01 Area(m): 63,499 Vehicle Size: 23 Hull Size: (14) DIMENSIONS*: 380 / 60 Volume(m3): 1,074,424.70 Area(m): 77,283 Vehicle Size: 24 Hull Size: (15) DIMENSIONS*: 420 / 70 Volume(m3): 1,616,349.40 Area(m): 100,060 Vehicle Size: 24 Hull Size: (16) DIMENSIONS*: 450 / 75 Volume(m3): 1,988,039.10 Area(m): 114,864 Vehicle Size: 25 Hull Size: (17) DIMENSIONS*: 475 / 80 Volume(m3): 2,387,610.40 Area(m): 129,434 Vehicle Size: 25 Hull Size: (18) DIMENSIONS*: 500 / 85 Volume(m3): 2,837,250.90 Area(m): 144,867 Vehicle Size: 26 Hull Size: (19) DIMENSIONS*: 540 / 90 Volume(m3): 3,435,331.60 Area(m): 165,405 Vehicle Size: 26 Hull Size: (20) DIMENSIONS*: 600 / 100 Volume(m3): 4,712,389.00 Area(m): 204,204 Vehicle Size: 27 Have I missed something? The Hero system does not handle vehicle dimensions very well..especially if you trying to figure out hex size based on metric volumes. I ultimately went with the 3 square root of the area factored in by the volume for a rough estimate of hex area. Not a fun exercise at all.

Hmm..seems my autoposter made each paragraph a seperate post! (Still learning about those embedded tags) Heres what should have been just one post: While doing some research for my earlier post I've discovered some data online to show a comparison of KH's Hull Size dimensions to other vessels and structures. Comparably Sized Vessels and Stuctures Hull Size: (1) DIMENSIONS*: 10 / 2 Volume(m3): 31.42 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** US Gemini Space Capsule (5.6/3/3.8/2) US Trident C-4 ICBM (10.4/1.9/33/-) US Apollo 11 Spacecraft (10.6/3.9/62/3) [includes Command, Service & Lunar Command Modules] [Aliens] Type 337 Emergency Escape Vehicle (13.2/-/-/5) UK AV-8A Harrier Jumpjet (13.9/7.7 wingspan/11.3/ 1) [WW II] V-2 Rocket (14/1.6/12.9/-) USSR Salyut 6 Space Station (15/4.2/20.4/3) [Aliens] Narcissus Class Lifeboat (-/ -/48/2) Hull Size: (2) DIMENSIONS*: 30 / 5 Volume(m3): 589.05 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [star Wars] Imperial Shuttle (20 / - / - / 4 + 14 passengers) [star Wars] Stormtrooper Transport (25 / - / - / 5 + 30 Stormtroopers or 10 Zero-G Stormtroopers) [Aliens]UD-4L Cheyenne Dropship (25.18/12.59 wingspan/18.6/2 crew+up to 4 fully equipped squads,1 M577 APC or 16,000 kg cargo) US C-130 Hercules Cargo Jet (32.3 / 40.5 wingspan, 70.3 / 4) US SR-71 Blackbird Spy Plane (32.7 / 16.9 Wingspan / 77.1 / 2) US Gemini-Titan II Rocket (33.2 / 3.1 / 185*** / -) US Skylab Station (36.1 / 3.9 to 6.6 / 89.6*** / 3) US Space Shuttle Orbiter (37.2 / 23.8 wingspan / 84.3*** / 3 or 6) US [JPL] TAU Probe (26 / 5 / - *** / -) Hull Size: (3) DIMENSIONS*: 50 / 8 Volume(m3): 2513.27 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** US B1-B Bomber (45.8 / 41.7 wingspan / 179.2 /?) US Space Shuttle External Tank (47 / 8.4 / 743.3/-) US B-52D Bomber (48 / 56 wingspan / 213.2 / ?) US Titan III-E Centaur Rocket (48.8 / 3.1/ 640*** / -) [AC Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two] Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov Spacecraft (50 / - / - / 10) USSR Energia Rocket (60 / 8 / 4,000*** / -) Hull Size: (4) DIMENSIONS*: 75 / 12 Volume(m3): 8,482.30 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** US C-5A Galaxy Cargo Jet (75.5 / 67.9 wingspan 348.8 / 5 + 90 passengers) Hull Size: (5) DIMENSIONS*: 100 / 15 Volume(m3): 17,671.46 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [star Wars] Rebel Transport (90 / - / - 7 + 9,000 metric tons cargo capacity) Statue of Liberty [New York City, US] (92.9 / - / - / -) USN Los Angeles class SSN (109.7 / 10.1 / 6,925 submerged /13 officers + 120 enlisted) US Saturn V Rocket (110.6 / 10 / 2,912.9*** / -) Hull Size: (6) DIMENSIONS*: 130 / 20 Volume(m3): 40,840.70 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [AC Clarke's 2001: Space Odyssey] Discovery (121 / - / - / 5) USN Lafayette class SSBM (129.5 / 10.1 / 8,250 / 13 officers + 130 enlisted) USN Charles Adams class DDG (133.2 / 14.3 / 4,825 / 20 officers + 340 enlisted) USN Oliver Hazard Perry class FFG (135.6/13.7/3,585/13 officers+193 enlisted, including 19 aircrew; also carries 2 helicopters) Hull Size: (7) DIMENSIONS*: 150 / 25 Volume(m3): 73,631.08 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** USN Thomaston class LSD (155.5 / 25.6 / 12,150 / 20 officers + 380 enlisted, + 340 troops****) [star Wars] Corellian Corvette / "Blockade Runner" (150 / - / - / 8 officers + 38 enlisted) Hull Size: (8) DIMENSIONS*: 180 / 30 Volume(m3): 127,234.50 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Washington Monument [Washington D. C., US](169.6 / - / - / -) [Ringworld] Puppeteer/GP 3 Hull (150 / 35 / -/ -) USN Ohio class SSBM (170.7 / 12.8 / 18,700 submerged / 15 officers + 140 enlisted) USSR Typhoon class SSBM (171.5 / 24.6 / 26,500 Submerged / 150) USN Spruance class DDG (171.7 / 16.8 / 8,040 / 20 officers + 299 enlisted; carries up to 2 helicopters) USN Ticonderoga class CG (172.5 / 16.8 / 9,590 / 33 officers + 325 enlisted; carries 2 helicopters) USN Virginia class CGN (178.4 / 19.2 / 11,300 / 34-45 officers + 520-579 enlisted) USN Iwo Jima class LPH-9 (183.7/25.6/18,300/48 officers+638 enlisted men+1 Marine Battalion [144 officers+1,602 enlisted]****) Hull Size: (9) DIMENSIONS*: 210 / 35 Volume(m3): 202,043.68 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Houston Astrodome [Houston, US] (196 [dome diam.] / 66 [dome height] / - / 66,000 spectators; stadium diam. is 216 m.; floor area is 11,613 m3) [star Trek] MK IV People / Starliner Container (200 / 18 / 80,000 / 15 officers + 150 enlisted, + 500 passengers) [star Trek] MK 1, II, III & V Transport Containers (200 / 40 / 121,566 / - ; cargo designations are MK1 = liquids, MK II = dry bulk, MK III = refrigerated goods, MK V = products; tonnage is only 100,000 for MK III) USN Wichita class Fleet Oil Tanker (206.9 / 29.3 / 38,100 / 390 – 457; cargo capacity is 160,000 barrels of fuel oil, 600 tons of munitions, 200 tons dry stores and 100 tons refrigerated stores) UK Great Eastern [largest steamship ever built] (211 / 37 / 18,914 / circa. 418 crew + up to 3,000 passengers) [star Trek] MK VI model Ptolemy class Transport (222/66/126,500/22 officers+198 enlisted; diam. listed is overall ship height – saucer diam. is 127.1 m.; engine nacelles are 153.6m. long by 17.3 m. diam.; length, diam. & mass do not include any transport containers carried) Hull Size: (10) DIMENSIONS*: 240 / 40 Volume(m3): 301,592.89 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Lusitania [uK cruise ship] (237 / 26.4 / 30,396 / 1800 officers & crew; 563 1st class, 464 2nd class & 1138 3rd class passengers) USN Sacramento class Combat Support Ship (241.7 / 32.6 / 53,600 / 600 – 680; 2 helicopters;cargo capacity is 177,000 barrels of fuel oil, 2,150 tons of munitions, 250 tons dry stores & 250 tons refrigerated stores) [star Trek] MK VII model Saladin class Destroyer (242.5 / 60 / 95,000 / 20 officers + 120 enlisted; diam. listed is overall ship height – saucer diam. is 127.1 m.; engine nacelles are 153.6 m. long by 17.3 m. diam.) [star Trek] MK VIII model Hermes class Scout (242.5 / 60 / 94,500 / 20 officers + 175 enlisted; excepting crew, tonnage and armament, is identical to Saladin class destroyer in design) USSR Kirov Nuclear Battle Cruiser (247.5 / 28.5 / 23,400 / 840) USN Tarawa class LHA (249.9 / 38.4 / 39,300 / 56 officers + 879 enlisted, + 1 reinforced Marine Battalion****) [star Wars] Imperial Lancer class Frigate (250 / - / - / - ; cf. Timothy Zahn's Star Wars trilogy) Hull Size: (11) DIMENSIONS*: 270 / 45 Volume(m3): 429,416.45 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [Ringworld] Puppeteer / GP 2 Hull (90 m. diameter sphere; 381,703.51 m3 volume) [Close Encounters of the Third Kind] Devil's Tower, Wyoming, USA (263.7 / - / - / -) Battleship Yamato [WW II Imperial Japanese Navy; also Star Blazers anime] (258.9 / 38.1 / 64,000 / ?) USN Iowa class BB (270.4 / 32.9 / 57,355 / 65 officers + 1,453 enlisted; carries up to 4 helicopters) Hull Size: (12) DIMENSIONS*: 300 / 50 Volume(m3): 589,048.62 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [star Trek] MK IX model Heavy Cruiser (294 / 78 / 190,000 / ?; equivalent of Enterprise A) SS United States [uS cruise ship] (297 / 30.6 / 50,924 / 1,068 officers & crew; 882 1st Class, 685 Cabin Class & 784 Tourist Class passengers; WW II troop capacity was 14,000 fully equipped men) USN Midway class CV (298.4 / 72.5 / 64,000 / 142 Officers + 2,684 enlisted, + 1,854 in air wing; carries 66 aircraft) [star Wars] Nebulon B Escort Frigate (300/ - / - /77 officers+843 enlisted; also carries 1 X-Wing or A-Wing+1 Y-Wing squadrons) Chrysler Building [New York City, USA] (318.8 / - / - / -) [star Trek] MK X model Federation class Dreadnought (320 / 87 / 285,000 / 55 officers + 445 enlisted; diam. listed is overall height of ship - diam. of saucer is 140 m.; secondary hull length / diam. is 122 / 30; engine nacelles are 153.6 m. long by 17.3 m. diam.) Queen Elizabeth [uK cruise ship] (309.3 / 35.7 / 82,998 / 1,296 officers & crew; 882 1st Class, 668 Cabin Class & 798 Tourist Class passengers; WW II troop capacity was 20,000 fully equipped men) Hull Size: (13) DIMENSIONS*: 340 / 55 Volume(m3): 807,782.01 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** USN Nimitz class CVN (332.9/76.8/90,925/155 officers+2,981 enlisted crew& 366 officers+2,434 enlisted in air wing;carries 90 aircraft) USN Enterprise class CVN (342.3/75.7/90,970/180 officers+3,139 enlisted & 310 officers+2,010 enlisted in air wing;carries 90 aircraft) Eiffel Tower [Paris, France] (352 / - / - / -; note that height includes 17 m. radio antenna) Hull Size: (14) DIMENSIONS*: 380 / 60 Volume(m3): 1,074,424.70 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Empire State Building [New York City, USA] (381 / - / - / -) [Aliens] USS Sulaco – Conestoga class starship (385/ - /78,000 / up to 90 passengers & crew; cargo capacity is 1.2 million cubic meters, allowing storage of up to 4 shuttles, or 2,000 cryo-sleep capsules) Hull Size: (15) DIMENSIONS*: 420 / 70 Volume(m3): 1,616,349.40 Hull Size: (16) DIMENSIONS*: 450 / 75 Volume(m3): 1,988,039.10 Hull Size: (17) DIMENSIONS*: 475 / 80 Volume(m3): 2,387,610.40 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Greater New Orleans Bridge [New Orleans, USA] (472 / - / - / -) Brooklyn Bridge [New York City, USA] (478.5 / - / - / -) Hull Size: (18) DIMENSIONS*: 500 / 85 Volume(m3): 2,837,250.90 Hull Size: (19) DIMENSIONS*: 540 / 90 Volume(m3): 3,435,331.60 Hull Size: (20) DIMENSIONS*: 600 / 100 Volume(m3): 4,712,389.00 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [star Wars] Imperial Interdictor Cruiser (600 -/ - /427 officers+2,380 enlisted;also carries 1 TIE Fighter squadron+ 1TIE Interceptor squadron, 1 Lambda class Imperial Shuttle, & 3 Stormtrooper Transports) [star Wars] Dreadnought class Heavy Cruiser (600/ - / - /16,000 Imperial or 5,000 Rebel crew; cf. Timothy Zahn's Star Wars trilogy / "Katana fleet") Delaware Memorial Bridge [Delaware, USA] (645 / - / - / -) Examples of Even Larger Ships and Structures: 900m / - [star Wars] Victory class Star Destroyer (900 / / - / 5,000 crew + 2,000 ground troops; also carries 2 TIE Fighter squadrons @ 12 fighters per squadron) 1,200m / - [star Wars] Mon Calamari MC-80 Cruiser (1200/-/-/668 officers+4,734 enlisted;also carries 2 X-Wing 3 Y-Wing & 1 A-Wing squadrons) 1,260m / - Golden Gate Bridge [san Francisco, USA] 1,278m / - Verrazano Narrows Bridge [New York City, USA] (1,278 / - / - / -) 1,600m / - [star Wars] Imperial class Star Destroyer (1,600 / - / - / 4,520 officers+32,565 enlisted; + 1 standard Stormtrooper Division, 12 Landing Barges, 20 AT-AT Walkers, & 30 AT-ST Walkers; also carries 3 TIE Fighter squadrons, 2 TIE Interceptor squadrons, 1 TIE Bomber squadron, 8 Lambda class Imperial Shuttles, 15 Stormtrooper Transports, & 5 Assault Gunboats) 8,000m / - [star Wars] Executor Super Star Destroyer (8,000 / - / - / ??? crew + 1 Stormtrooper Corps + 38,000 ground troops) NOTES: * All dimensions are given in meters per KH. ** Tonnages for aircraft, ICBM's, rockets and spacecraft are in metric tons. Ship tonnages are in "long tons" (1 ton = 2,240 lbs.); a long ton is nearly equal to the weight of a metric ton (1 metric ton = 1,000 kg or 2,204 lbs.). Shipping tonnages (cargo measure only) can also be figured in "volumetric tons", where 1 ton = 100 ft3 or 2.8 m3. Tonnages listed are displacement tonnage for military ships, gross tonnages for civilian ships; combat aircraft weights as listed are with full weapons load, transport aircraft are listed with normal takeoff load. "Lengths" listed for buildings and other vertical structures are their heights; "lengths" listed for bridges are the length of the bridges' main span only, not the overall length of the bridge. NAVY SHIP CLASS ABBREVIATIONS: LSD = Landing Ship Dock LPH = Amphibious Assault Ship LHA = Amphibious Assault Ship SSN = Nuclear-powered Attack Submarine SSBN = Nuclear-powered Ballistic Missile Submarine FFG = Guided Missile Frigate DDG = Guided Missile Destroyer CG = Guided Missile Cruiser CGN = Nuclear-powered Guided Missile Cruiser CV = Aircraft Carrier CVN = Nuclear-powered Aircraft Carrier BB = Battleship *** SPACECRAFT NOTES: Launch Payloads: US Gemini-Titan II: 8,297 lbs. (3.76 metric tons) [Gemini capsule] US Titan IIIE-Centaur: 8,400 lbs. (3.8 metric tons) [launched Viking and Voyagers probes] US Space Shuttle: 65,000 lbs. (29.48 metric tons) [assumes Kennedy Space Center launch; launch from other sites reduces payload to orbit] USSR Energia (4 boosters): 340,000 lbs. (110 metric tons) (6 boosters): 485,000 lbs. (220 metric tons) US Saturn V Rocket: 313,500 lbs. (62 metric tons) [Apollo command & service modules, lander] Habitable Volumes: US Apollo spacecraft: 59.4 m3 (command module) + 4.5 m3 (lunar module) US Skylab: 331 m3 (conditioned work volume of cluster) ADDITIONAL NOTES: Diameters listed for spacecraft are those at the widest point on the craft. The TAU Probe is a proposed US Jet Propulsion Laboratory probe with a nuclear electric (ion) engine designed to explore the area 1000 AU (Astronomical Units; 1 AU = the distance from the Sun to the Earth) from the Sun. Weight of the USSR Energia Rocket as listed in the table is with 6 boosters. **** Additional vehicles carried by amphibious transport ships: USN Thomaston class: 21 LCM-6's, or 3 LCU's & 6 LCM-6's, or 50 LVT's with another 30 LVT's housed on upper decks; troop accommodation is 340. Optionally can carry helicopters. USN Iwo Jima class: 1 US Marine battalion landing team (144 officers + 1,602 enlisted) plus its equipment, artillery & vehicles; accommodation amounts to 4,300 ft3 (400 m2) for vehicles & 37,400 ft3 (3,475 m3) for palletized stores plus bulk storage for 6,500 gallons of vehicle fuel & 405,000 gallons of turbine fuel. Also carries 20 CH-46D or 11 CH-53D helicopters (or a mix of the two); or a mix of 24 CH- 46,CH-53, AH-1 & UH-1 helicopters; and (with a reduced helicopter complement) 4 AV-8 Harrier aircraft. USN Tarawa class: Troop accommodation of 1 US Marine reinforced battalion of 172 officers + 1,731enlisted. 4 LCU's plus 6 LCM-6's; vehicle accommodation amounts to 33,730 ft3 (3,135 m3), and palletized stores to a volume of 116,900 ft3 (3,310 m3); liquid storage is 10,000 gallons of vehicle fuel & 400,000 gallons of turbine fuel. Also carries up to 26 CH-46 or 19 CH-53D/E helicopters, and (by reducing number of helicopters) a varying number of AV-8B Harrier aircraft. SOURCES FOR LISTED VEHICLES AND STRUCTURES INCLUDE: Buildings, Bridges & other structures: Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1973 edition. A. C. Clarke's Odyssey spacecraft: Arthur C. Clarke, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Signet / New American Library,1968. *Note: The Discovery of the movie was lengthened to 700 feet / 213 m (equivalent to HS 9). The spherical pressure hull where most of the action takes place is described as 40 ft. / 12.19 m. in diameter (roughly equivalent to HS 2). Arthur C. Clarke, 2010: Odyssey Two, Ballantine Books, 1982. *Note: The Leonov's length does not include the ship's external hydrogen fuel tanks. Alien and Aliens ships: Lee Brimmicombe-Woode, Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual, Harper Prism, 1996. Cruise ships: Nicholas T. Cairis, Passenger Liners of the World Since 1893 (revised ed.), Bonanza Books, N. Y., 1979. Military Aircraft and Ships: Ray Bonds (ed.), The US War Machine, Crown Publishers Inc., 1983. Christopher Chant, Sea Forces of the World, Crescent Books, N. Y., 1990. The Almanac of Seapower, Navy League of the United States, 1983. H. P. Wilmott, Warships, Octopus Books Ltd., 1975. Larry Niven's Ringworld ships: Kevin Stein, The Guide to Larry Niven's Ringworld, Baen Publishing Enterprises, 1994. Star Trek ships: (no author listed), Star Fleet Technical Handbook, Franz Josephs Designs, 1975. *Note: these are all ships from the original TV series. Star Wars ships: Bill Smith, Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Vehicles& Vessels DelRey/ Ballantine, 1996. Roger Stewart (exec. ed.), X-Wing: The Official Strategy Guide, Prima Publishing, 1993. The TAU Probe Eugene Mallov & Gregory Matloff, The Starflight Handbook, Stephen Kippur, 1989. US & USSR spacecraft: Kenneth Gatland, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Space Technology, Salamander Books Ltd., 1981. Framk Miles & Nicholas Booth (ed.'s), Race to Mars, Harper & Row Publishers, 1988. Star Frontiers: Expanded Starship Size Table

Hull Size: (19) DIMENSIONS*: 540 / 90 Volume(m3): 3,435,331.60

Hull Size: (15) DIMENSIONS*: 420 / 70 Volume(m3): 1,616,349.40

Hull Size: (14) DIMENSIONS*: 380 / 60 Volume(m3): 1,074,424.70 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Empire State Building [New York City, USA] (381 / - / - / -) [Aliens] USS Sulaco – Conestoga class starship (385/ - /78,000 / up to 90 passengers & crew; cargo capacity is 1.2 million cubic meters, allowing storage of up to 4 shuttles, or 2,000 cryo-sleep capsules)

Hull Size: (13) DIMENSIONS*: 340 / 55 Volume(m3): 807,782.01 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** USN Nimitz class CVN (332.9/76.8/90,925/155 officers+2,981 enlisted crew& 366 officers+2,434 enlisted in air wing;carries 90 aircraft) USN Enterprise class CVN (342.3/75.7/90,970/180 officers+3,139 enlisted & 310 officers+2,010 enlisted in air wing;carries 90 aircraft) Eiffel Tower [Paris, France] (352 / - / - / -; note that height includes 17 m. radio antenna)

Hull Size: (12) DIMENSIONS*: 300 / 50 Volume(m3): 589,048.62 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [star Trek] MK IX model Heavy Cruiser (294 / 78 / 190,000 / ?; equivalent of Enterprise A) SS United States [uS cruise ship] (297 / 30.6 / 50,924 / 1,068 officers & crew; 882 1st Class, 685 Cabin Class & 784 Tourist Class passengers; WW II troop capacity was 14,000 fully equipped men) USN Midway class CV (298.4 / 72.5 / 64,000 / 142 Officers + 2,684 enlisted, + 1,854 in air wing; carries 66 aircraft) [star Wars] Nebulon B Escort Frigate (300/ - / - /77 officers+843 enlisted; also carries 1 X-Wing or A-Wing+1 Y-Wing squadrons) Chrysler Building [New York City, USA] (318.8 / - / - / -) [star Trek] MK X model Federation class Dreadnought (320 / 87 / 285,000 / 55 officers + 445 enlisted; diam. listed is overall height of ship - diam. of saucer is 140 m.; secondary hull length / diam. is 122 / 30; engine nacelles are 153.6 m. long by 17.3 m. diam.) Queen Elizabeth [uK cruise ship] (309.3 / 35.7 / 82,998 / 1,296 officers & crew; 882 1st Class, 668 Cabin Class & 798 Tourist Class passengers; WW II troop capacity was 20,000 fully equipped men)

Hull Size: (11) DIMENSIONS*: 270 / 45 Volume(m3): 429,416.45 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [Ringworld] Puppeteer / GP 2 Hull (90 m. diameter sphere; 381,703.51 m3 volume) [Close Encounters of the Third Kind] Devil's Tower, Wyoming, USA (263.7 / - / - / -) Battleship Yamato [WW II Imperial Japanese Navy; also Star Blazers anime] (258.9 / 38.1 / 64,000 / ?) USN Iowa class BB (270.4 / 32.9 / 57,355 / 65 officers + 1,453 enlisted; carries up to 4 helicopters)

Hull Size: (10) DIMENSIONS*: 240 / 40 Volume(m3): 301,592.89 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Lusitania [uK cruise ship] (237 / 26.4 / 30,396 / 1800 officers & crew; 563 1st class, 464 2nd class & 1138 3rd class passengers) USN Sacramento class Combat Support Ship (241.7 / 32.6 / 53,600 / 600 – 680; 2 helicopters;cargo capacity is 177,000 barrels of fuel oil, 2,150 tons of munitions, 250 tons dry stores & 250 tons refrigerated stores) [star Trek] MK VII model Saladin class Destroyer (242.5 / 60 / 95,000 / 20 officers + 120 enlisted; diam. listed is overall ship height – saucer diam. is 127.1 m.; engine nacelles are 153.6 m. long by 17.3 m. diam.) [star Trek] MK VIII model Hermes class Scout (242.5 / 60 / 94,500 / 20 officers + 175 enlisted; excepting crew, tonnage and armament, is identical to Saladin class destroyer in design) USSR Kirov Nuclear Battle Cruiser (247.5 / 28.5 / 23,400 / 840) USN Tarawa class LHA (249.9 / 38.4 / 39,300 / 56 officers + 879 enlisted, + 1 reinforced Marine Battalion****) [star Wars] Imperial Lancer class Frigate (250 / - / - / - ; cf. Timothy Zahn's Star Wars trilogy)

Hull Size: (9) DIMENSIONS*: 210 / 35 Volume(m3): 202,043.68 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Houston Astrodome [Houston, US] (196 [dome diam.] / 66 [dome height] / - / 66,000 spectators; stadium diam. is 216 m.; floor area is 11,613 m3) [star Trek] MK IV People / Starliner Container (200 / 18 / 80,000 / 15 officers + 150 enlisted, + 500 passengers) [star Trek] MK 1, II, III & V Transport Containers (200 / 40 / 121,566 / - ; cargo designations are MK1 = liquids, MK II = dry bulk, MK III = refrigerated goods, MK V = products; tonnage is only 100,000 for MK III) USN Wichita class Fleet Oil Tanker (206.9 / 29.3 / 38,100 / 390 – 457; cargo capacity is 160,000 barrels of fuel oil, 600 tons of munitions, 200 tons dry stores and 100 tons refrigerated stores) UK Great Eastern [largest steamship ever built] (211 / 37 / 18,914 / circa. 418 crew + up to 3,000 passengers) [star Trek] MK VI model Ptolemy class Transport (222/66/126,500/22 officers+198 enlisted; diam. listed is overall ship height – saucer diam. is 127.1 m.; engine nacelles are 153.6m. long by 17.3 m. diam.; length, diam. & mass do not include any transport containers carried)

Hull Size: (8) DIMENSIONS*: 180 / 30 Volume(m3): 127,234.50 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** Washington Monument [Washington D. C., US](169.6 / - / - / -) [Ringworld] Puppeteer/GP 3 Hull (150 / 35 / -/ -) USN Ohio class SSBM (170.7 / 12.8 / 18,700 submerged / 15 officers + 140 enlisted) USSR Typhoon class SSBM (171.5 / 24.6 / 26,500 Submerged / 150) USN Spruance class DDG (171.7 / 16.8 / 8,040 / 20 officers + 299 enlisted; carries up to 2 helicopters) USN Ticonderoga class CG (172.5 / 16.8 / 9,590 / 33 officers + 325 enlisted; carries 2 helicopters) USN Virginia class CGN (178.4 / 19.2 / 11,300 / 34-45 officers + 520-579 enlisted) USN Iwo Jima class LPH-9 (183.7/25.6/18,300/48 officers+638 enlisted men+1 Marine Battalion [144 officers+1,602 enlisted]****)

Hull Size: (7) DIMENSIONS*: 150 / 25 Volume(m3): 73,631.08 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** USN Thomaston class LSD (155.5 / 25.6 / 12,150 / 20 officers + 380 enlisted, + 340 troops****) [star Wars] Corellian Corvette / "Blockade Runner" (150 / - / - / 8 officers + 38 enlisted)

Hull Size: (6) DIMENSIONS*: 130 / 20 Volume(m3): 40,840.70 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [AC Clarke's 2001: Space Odyssey] Discovery (121 / - / - / 5) USN Lafayette class SSBM (129.5 / 10.1 / 8,250 / 13 officers + 130 enlisted) USN Charles Adams class DDG (133.2 / 14.3 / 4,825 / 20 officers + 340 enlisted) USN Oliver Hazard Perry class FFG (135.6/13.7/3,585/13 officers+193 enlisted, including 19 aircrew; also carries 2 helicopters)

Hull Size: (5) DIMENSIONS*: 100 / 15 Volume(m3): 17,671.46 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** [star Wars] Rebel Transport (90 / - / - 7 + 9,000 metric tons cargo capacity) Statue of Liberty [New York City, US] (92.9 / - / - / -) USN Los Angeles class SSN (109.7 / 10.1 / 6,925 submerged /13 officers + 120 enlisted) US Saturn V Rocket (110.6 / 10 / 2,912.9*** / -)

Hull Size: (4) DIMENSIONS*: 75 / 12 Volume(m3): 8,482.30 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** US C-5A Galaxy Cargo Jet (75.5 / 67.9 wingspan 348.8 / 5 + 90 passengers)

Hull Size: (3) DIMENSIONS*: 50 / 8 Volume(m3): 2513.27 (Length[m]/Width[m]/Tonnage/Crew)** US B1-B Bomber (45.8 / 41.7 wingspan / 179.2 /?) US Space Shuttle External Tank (47 / 8.4 / 743.3/-) US B-52D Bomber (48 / 56 wingspan / 213.2 / ?) US Titan III-E Centaur Rocket (48.8 / 3.1/ 640*** / -) [AC Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two] Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov Spacecraft (50 / - / - / 10) USSR Energia Rocket (60 / 8 / 4,000*** / -)

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SPACESHIP CONTRUCTION QUESTION I've been working on converting the Star Frontiers Knight Hawks ships into the Hero Format and I've run into a number of snaggs that I want to present a major one to you all for your input.. The first one is converting the Knight Hawks "Hull Size Types" into the appropriate Star Hero Vehicle SIZE characteristic. In KH we get a non-linear, arbitrarily assigned, ship length and diameter size given in meters. Since the KH ships are roughly cylinder in shape and are not very large compaired to other Space Opera genre ships...should I simply calculate the Volume of the cylinder, convert that to hexes to find a close match on the Expanded Vehicle Size Table? This seems to make the look and feel of the KH ships much larger in Hero than they were in Star Frontiers. I also looked into calculating the Area of the Cylinder, but this has the same effect as the Volume calculation. Or would you recomend I simple go by the Length of the KH vehicles to match with the appropriate Hero length? This method does not take into account the diamter/volume of the cylinders in KH ships, making them smaller than the look and feel in Star Frontiers. What do you think?