L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word Now the book's on the web. Metaphorically speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word what part of history do you enjoy most? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word . . . Right now it's early medieval Swedish/Scandinavian, and how Sweden went from a heathen conglomerate of petty kingdoms to a mainstream Catholic Christian monarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word basically would that be from Viking to Catholic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word Oh, this land was never thoroughly Cristianized. But the trappings of power became Christian, and the kingship was "given by the grace of God" rather than bequeathed by vote by peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word and Odin or was it Wotan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word Oh, in Sweden it's Oden. And by that time there was no public cult of the old gods, but the old beliefs lived in folk magic and myths and legends. Oden was the leader of the Wild Hunt, and Tor still slew trolls with Mjölner. That must be true, because people still found hammerheads out in the fields when plowing. Actually, those were axe heads from the neolithic times, but you shouldn't spoil a good story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word And what of Tyr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word He was a very minor deity at the end of the iron age/Viking age, and the only thing that's left of his cult is a few place names. Ironically, really. He started his career as the Indo-European *Diyaus Pithar, the Bright Father, Sky God (Zeus and Jupiter derived from him, too) and ended up as the name of a suburb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word How do you get Jupiter or Zeus Pater* out of Tyr? Linguistically it doesn't seem to fit. *Also the D&D Devil-Lord Dispater is linguistically evolved from the same root/concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word No, Jupiter and Tyr both came from *Diyaus Pithar. Tyr came via *Tiwaz, which is what the Goths called their chief god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word No' date=' Jupiter and Tyr both came from *Diyaus Pithar. Tyr came via *Tiwaz, which is what the Goths called their chief god.[/quote'] "Tiwaz" rings a bell in some other context. IIRC it was some sort of Smithy/Metallurgy diety. No time for research now, maybe tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word You might be thinking of Wayland -- Völund in Swedish. He was the Anglo-Saxon god of smiths, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word Tiwaz, to the Goths, was a god of battle. They sacrificed severed limbs of their enemies after a battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word You might be thinking of Wayland -- Völund in Swedish. He was the Anglo-Saxon god of smiths' date=' IIRC.[/quote'] No not Wayland, it was something like "Tiwaz", starting with "T". Like Vulcan, but Semite I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word Oh. Then we're out in a totally other mythology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word I just remembered "Tubal", or something else, I'll have to have a look tomorrow. from wikipedia -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal: The Tabali (Tibarenoi in Greek) were Luwian tribes of Asia Minor of the 3rd-1st millennias BC. They and other related tribes, the Chalybes (Khalib/Khaldi) and the Mossynoeci (Mossynoikoi in Greek), are sometimes considered the founders of metallurgy. (emphasis mine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word And here I thought I knew mythology . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word What, did I get anything wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word Not that I know of. I didn't understand a word of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word Ah well, you can't know it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Re: The Last Word *grin* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Re: The Last Word I recognized contexts, but not much more. It's been a long time since I looked at mythology much, with the exception of a spasm of research into Maya culture back about 8-10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceTheOwl Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Re: The Last Word Most of my interest is in the Greek myth. My parents had a few books lying around, and it was like a pre-TV soap opera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Re: The Last Word I got a bunch of that back in 7th or 8th grade. Well, not a whole lot, but enough to turn me off of it, if you know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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