Cancer Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: The Last Word Yeah, and I have no idea how many are being still told about me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Re: The Last Word Maybe a PI could help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Re: The Last Word I'm certainly not willing to spend money to find out, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Re: The Last Word Do PIs ever work pro bono publico? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Re: The Last Word You'd have to ask someone who actually knows something about them. I have not knowingly ever spoken with a PI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Re: The Last Word They're everywhere, I tell you! :rampant paranoia: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Re: The Last Word There is, however, a sure-fire defense against them. Be boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Re: The Last Word Do PIs ever work pro bono publico? Yes, but it's usually something they didn't have to do much for. At least in my limited experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: The Last Word Maybe it's deductable as charity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted April 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: The Last Word *wonders aloud how much of science has been falsified by special interest groups* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: The Last Word If it's been falsified, it's not science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: The Last Word It's still tricked out as science, though, and large segments of the population have a hard time telling the difference. These days, Bazza .... lots and lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Re: The Last Word Smoking as a prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word Smoking as a prime example. I was thinking more flouride in the water supply. There is science that says it is good, as well as science that is saying not to let a toxic chemical in the water supply. Someone is not telling the truth...the question is who? Another example is climate change, another is the case investigated by Erin Brockovich who found out and blew apart corporate-funded science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word It's still tricked out as science, though, and large segments of the population have a hard time telling the difference. These days, Bazza .... lots and lots. Yeah, that's what makes it so sad, a noble pursuit for truth twisted by power-mad interests not aligned with the common and greater good of society and civilisation. When disception occurs misinfomation is not far behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word I was thinking more flouride in the water supply. There is science that says it is good, as well as science that is saying not to let a toxic chemical in the water supply. Someone is not telling the truth...the question is who? Actually, taken at surface value, could be both. The dental-effect studies could be completely up front. The way said studies are constructed, they are unlikely to detect any non-dental toxicity effects the fluoride might have -- indeed, they are unlikely to look for such effects. Doing so would greatly increase the data-gathering and analysis work needed. A toxicity study could be constructed to see if the amount of fluoride one can expect to enter via the digestive or absorptive paths in such a treatment program results in detectable non-dental health effects during or after the program. Both studies, if done properly, should take about 10-15 years to do. Another example is climate change, another is the case investigated by Erin Brockovich who found out and blew apart corporate-funded science. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word Mmmm, histology ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word Heh. I've heard from the guys at the cancer research center in the last couple days about some files I made. Cancer survival as functions of various things, including histology of the tumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word What did they have to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word They wanted to know how I generated one of the input files, the one for survival curves for ovarian cancer, broken out by age at diagnosis, stage at diagnosis, grade and histology of tumor. I managed to find the input files and script that did it, and sent them a zipfile with that. As well as some comments about what I was thinking at the time and hence my general approach that I favored then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word But grading is done by histology, isn't it? Why does those get different entries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word Actually' date=' taken at surface value, could be both. The dental-effect studies could be completely up front. The way said studies are constructed, they are unlikely to detect any [u']non-dental[/u] toxicity effects the fluoride might have -- indeed, they are unlikely to look for such effects. Doing so would greatly increase the data-gathering and analysis work needed. A toxicity study could be constructed to see if the amount of fluoride one can expect to enter via the digestive or absorptive paths in such a treatment program results in detectable non-dental health effects during or after the program. Both studies, if done properly, should take about 10-15 years to do. So it would come down to a scoping issue, looking only at the teeth and not the rest of the organism. If you know x chemical is bad, scope out the good part and focus on that. Then publish. I also recall a James Bond film where the villain wanted to put fluoride in the water supply. This you-know, didn't tip people off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word Book: Cancer Is Not A Disease - It's A Survival Mechanism by Andreas Moritz THis would be an interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word Well, the victims of cancer might not agree with that conclusion, and I doubt I would agree with the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted April 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Re: The Last Word Cancer has victims? I know people disagree with him but I doubt he would outright victimize them... (even though he is a member of the Illumined Society of Spectroscopists) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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