prestidigitator Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy I dunno. I don't have my book in front of me' date=' but I don't think Telepathy could [i']overwrite[/i] the true information the mentalist gains with the false informtaion the agent desires to propogate. Agreed. Mental Defense does the other half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy OH! DUDE! You hit it. Whether or not it is' date=' "perfect," [b']Telepathy[/b] is the power for inserting thoughts into other people's heads. This power should be a defensive use of Telepathy! Telepathy on a Damage Shield. That's it! It fits perfectly! That's a bit like saying speach is the ability for putting sound in people's ears so I can make automatically fool people's hearing whenever I can talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy I dunno. I don't have my book in front of me' date=' but I don't think Telepathy could [i']overwrite[/i] the true information the mentalist gains with the false informtaion the agent desires to propogate. If you built telepathy like this: Telepathy: 12d6 RSR (opposed EGO roll) Side effects (-1/4) may get false information if RSR failed) You'd get a version of telepathy that could record false memories. Trouble is that works no matter who your target. We are trying to build a defence/false information provider to work against an attacker who has not taken those limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy That's a bit like saying speach is the ability for putting sound in people's ears so I can make automatically fool people's hearing whenever I can talk. Actually, it's more like them asking questions and you being able to lie about the answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy That's a bit like saying speach is the ability for putting sound in people's ears so I can make automatically fool people's hearing whenever I can talk. I just view it as a sort of mental conversation. The mentalist asks a question, gets an answer. If Mental Defense or a Breakout Roll gets in the way, there's no answer. With a reverse Telepathy in place, the mentalist might be getting an answer and it just doesn't happen to be a forced one (instead it's one the target chose). I suppose you could require something other than the surface thoughts level of effect for the defensive Telepathy (and probably the +20 effect that keeps it from being detected by the target). Or go back to Mind Control instead if you really want to be adamant about the difference. But I know what solution I'll be going with myself if this comes up in any of my games. It first perfectly in my Mental Power paradigm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Actually' date=' it's more like them asking questions and you being able to lie about the answers.[/quote'] How about it's saying that just because I can talk I can never be compelled to tell the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Wasn't any of this covered in The Ultimate Mentalist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Wasn't any of this covered in The Ultimate Mentalist? As much as I dislike going to the Ultimate Books, Yes both Images(mental) and Shapeshift(mental) are described as being able to present 'false' information to Telepathy in the Ultimate Mentalist although iirc Shapeshift requires a new adder to go beyond surface thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Worth noting that telepathy does not reveal 'truth' it reveals the recorded perceived experiences of the target i.e. memories. There is a really interesting bit at the start of the excellent Zelazny novel 'Lord of Light' where a whole group of people's memories are manipulated: not by telepathy or somesuch but by a 'sermon' designed to make them think in a different way about what they have just seen. Memories are not immutable and will almost always be tinged with emotional overtone, and may even change over time as the person tries to integrate that experience with others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Good Point, but True and False are easier tags than "Percieved Information modified by experiential drift" and "Self created illusory data" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Good Point' date=' but True and False are easier tags than "Percieved Information modified by experiential drift" and "Self created illusory data" [/quote'] You mean PIMBED and SCID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy You mean PIMBED and SCID? In which case it should be 'per experiential drift' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy You mean PIMBED and SCID? So if the Telepath receives your SCID, does that mean you left SCID-marks on his mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy So if the Telepath receives your SCID' date=' does that mean you left SCID-marks on his mind? [/quote'] That is truly awful: well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Good Point' date=' but True and False are easier tags than "Percieved Information modified by experiential drift" and "Self created illusory data" [/quote'] Tough! In choosing to use Mental Powers as your weapon, you get the bad with the good. It's a subjective world you've stepped into, and it's your own damned fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Re: Fooling Telepathy Tough! In choosing to use Mental Powers as your weapon' date=' you get the bad with the good. It's a subjective world you've stepped into, and it's your own damned fault. [/quote'] Sweet! Then subjectively I'm going to call them True and False and I'm not telling you which is which Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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