Are Normal attacks worth it?

[Zed-F]

+2 stun multiple is more valuable unless your target has very high defenses or you want to do more body.

 

Versus 20 def:

12d6 EB, AP = 12-10=2 BODY, 42-10=32 STUN

4d6 RKA, AP = 14-10=4 BODY, 38-10=28 STUN

4d6 RKA, +2 SM = 14-20=0 BODY, 66-20=46 STUN

 

Versus 30 def:

12d6 EB, AP = 12-15=0 BODY, 42-15=27 STUN

4d6 RKA, AP = 14-15=0 BODY, 38-15=23 STUN

4d6 RKA, +2 SM = 14-30=0 BODY, 66-30=36 STUN

 

Versus 50 def:

12d6 EB, AP = 12-25=0 BODY, 42-25=17 STUN

4d6 RKA, AP = 14-25=0 BODY, 38-25=13 STUN

4d6 RKA, +2 SM = 14-50=0 BODY, 66-50=16 STUN

 

[Gary]

Originally posted by Farkling

Hey....don't get me wrong...I LIKE the STUN lotto...

 

Though usage varies...which is more valuable?

(90) (4d6 RKA) (+2x to STUN Multiple)

(90) (4d6 RKA) (AP)

(90) (12d6 EB) (AP)

Where's Spreadsheet guy?

 

The other advantage that EB's USED to have was the old spreading rules of +1 per die , but thoswe are gone...I know the spread rules say DC now.

 

+2 stun multiple is best. That's because + stun multiple is slightly broken as written. It should be +3/4 advantage for +2 stun multiple.

 

All the following numbers assume 23 con for the target.

 

4d6 KA +2 stun multiple:

Def          Avg Net Stun          Con Stun %
30            35.55                     60.57
35            30.92                     52.69
40            26.59                     46.12
45            22.66                     39.78
50            19.19                     34.10
55            16.12                     28.45
60            13.44                     26.39

 

4d6 KA AP:

Def          Avg Net Stun          Con Stun %
30            22.99                     43.24
35            20.77                     39.51
40            19.42                     37.37
45            17.51                     33.33
50            16.29                     30.11
55            14.54                     27.74
60            13.43                     25.94

 

12d6 Normal AP:

Def          Avg Net Stun          Con Stun %
30            27.00                     72.08
35            24.00                     53.33
40            22.00                     40.11
45            19.00                     22.56
50            17.00                     13.76
55            14.01                      5.43
60            12.04                      2.54

 

6d6 KA:

Def          Avg Net Stun          Con Stun %
30            29.05                     47.50
35            25.83                     43.10
40            22.77                     39.03
45            19.92                     35.36
50            17.31                     31.09
55            14.92                     27.28
60            12.72                     24.38

 

18d6 Normal:

Def          Avg Net Stun          Con Stun %
30            33.00                     90.44
35            28.00                     73.13
40            23.00                     47.27
45            18.01                     22.54
50            13.10                      7.40
55             8.49                      1.57
60             4.64                      0.20

 

[Markdoc]

So to summarise all the discussion, it would appear that KA is better at hurting people, while EB is better at putting them down (once one takes that all-important CON stun into account.

 

But otherwise, they come in pretty close.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

cheers, Mark

[tesuji]

12d6 Normal AP:

 

Def Avg Net Stun Con Stun %

30 27.00 72.08

 

Gary, what does DEF stabnd for in this chart?

 

Its obvious not target defense.

 

is it target defense plus con?

[Gary]

Originally posted by tesuji

12d6 Normal AP:

 

Def Avg Net Stun Con Stun %

30 27.00 72.08

 

Gary, what does DEF stabnd for in this chart?

 

Its obvious not target defense.

 

is it target defense plus con?

 

It's target defense. This chart is for an armor piercing attack, so the target's defenses are halved.