How much of a Limitation...?

[mayapuppies]

Hello all,

 

Working on a character concept and I have an EC that I want only to be able to use when the character has reached 50% of his BODY. It's a defensive EC with Density Increase and Armor, but only activates when he is really hurt.

 

Is this a viable Lim and if so, how much would think it would be worth?

[ChocolateMousje]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Hello all,

 

Working on a character concept and I have an EC that I want only to be able to use when the character has reached 50% of his BODY. It's a defensive EC with Density Increase and Armor, but only activates when he is really hurt.

 

Is this a viable Lim and if so, how much would think it would be worth?

 

Depends... "only able to use when" sounds like a limited power (conditional).

Without knowing the character's defenses, I'd give it maybe -1/2 to -1.

 

"only activates when" sounds like No Conscious Control (-2), but I'd also require RE: 0, always on, persistent

 

The difference being with the first, the character needs to have a (free) action to turn the EC on, while the second would kick in immediately (and stay on even after being stunned or KO'd, of course)

[mayapuppies]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Well, his "normal" defenses aren't quite worked out, but essentially what happens is that he is a bio-engineered person with an over-active genetic defense system. Once he's been severly wounded his body forms a hard shell over his epidermis.

 

He has no concious control over it (in fact, he doesn't know about it as of yet), so I guess going with the latter suggestion may be the best form of action.

 

Aside from that "ability", he is a skilled martial artist brick, more along the lines of Captain America than Bruce Lee.

[mayapuppies]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Ok so here's some more info:

 

He has a normal PD: 14 and ED: 10

He has a suit of body armor rPD: 8 and rED: 8

 

and here is the EC I'm wanting to include. I'm kinda fuzzy on the cost for this and I don't have Hero Designer (yet, and at $50 it'll be awhile), so any help would be appreciated.

 

EC: Bio-Engineered Defenses (No Conscious Control: Only Activates when character at 50% Body, Reduced Endurance: 0, Always On, Persistent)

 

10 pts 2 Levels of density Increase

15 pts 5 PD/5 ED Armor

10 pts Life Support: Self-Contained Breathing

10 pts Life Support: All Terrestrial diseases and biowarfare agents

10 pts Life Support: All Terrestrial poisons and chemical warfare agents

[Southern Cross]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Actually,you'd have to get GM's permission for this EC, as only Powers that naturally cost END are allowable in Fifth Edition EC's.(If i were Steve Long,I'd just have forbade all Always On Powers from being in Power Frameworks unless all Powers in the Framework have the Always On limitation.But I'm not Steve Long,unfortunately).

[mayapuppies]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

So I'd have to do this as a linked power?

[Southern Cross]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

EC: Bio-Engineered Defenses (No Conscious Control: Only Activates when character at 50% Body, Reduced Endurance: 0, Always On, Persistent)

 

10 pts 2 Levels of density Increase

15 pts 5 PD/5 ED Armor

10 pts Life Support: Self-Contained Breathing

10 pts Life Support: All Terrestrial diseases and biowarfare agents

10 pts Life Support: All Terrestrial poisons and chemical warfare agents

The above seems rather complicated for such a simple design.Lets see:

Bio-Engineered Defenses 5DEF Armor (character must be down to 50% Body (-1) (15 AP, 7 Real Cost).

2 levels of Density Increase,0 END Persistent (+1),Linked to Armor (-1/2) (20 AP,13 Real Cost)

Life Support:Self-contained Breathing,Immune to all Terrestrial diseases & poisons,linked to Armor (-1/2) (30AP,20 Real Cost)

[mayapuppies]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Oh sweet! Thanks Southern Cross

[Southern Cross]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Note: As Armor and Life Support are already Persistent Powers I didn't think that No Conscious Control was needed.And I screwed up on the Real Costs too:I should have had the character's Armor & Density Increase Linked to his Life Support,as it's the one with the most Active Points.So here is the new version of Bio-Engineered Defenses (with the addition of No Conscious Control on the component powers) :

Life Support:Self-contained Breathing,Immune to all Terrestrial diseases & poisons (Character must be at 50% BODY (-1),No Conscious Control (-2),Linked to Armor & Density Increase (Lesser powers) (-1/4)) (30 AP,7 Real Cost)

Armor (5PD/5ED),No Conscious Control(-2),Linked to Life Support (-1/2) (15 AP,4 Real Cost)

Density Increase,2 levels,0 END Persistent (+1),No Conscious Control (-2),Linked to Life Support (-1/2) (20 AP,6 Real Cost)

[mayapuppies]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Even better! Saved me some points.

[ChocolateMousje]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Ok so here's some more info:

 

He has a normal PD: 14 and ED: 10

He has a suit of body armor rPD: 8 and rED: 8

 

and here is the EC I'm wanting to include. I'm kinda fuzzy on the cost for this and I don't have Hero Designer (yet, and at $50 it'll be awhile), so any help would be appreciated.

 

EC: Bio-Engineered Defenses (No Conscious Control: Only Activates when character at 50% Body, Reduced Endurance: 0, Always On, Persistent)

 

10 pts 2 Levels of density Increase

15 pts 5 PD/5 ED Armor

10 pts Life Support: Self-Contained Breathing

10 pts Life Support: All Terrestrial diseases and biowarfare agents

10 pts Life Support: All Terrestrial poisons and chemical warfare agents

 

I think there's a link somewhere to the HD demo still... you can't save or print, but it's still good for testing constructs and math .

 

Try using Force Field instead of armor... as previously noted, powers that don't inherently cost END aren't supposed to be in ECs.

[Southern Cross]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

True enough-also Force Field fits the SFX better,as a hardened shell covering his body should be visible,but Armor in 5e is supposed to be invisible by default,as is Density Increase.So here is the power as an EC:

EC; Bio-Engineered Defenses: (0 END Persistent +1);

All slots are No Conscious Control (-2) and Only Activate when character is at 50% of BODY (-1) (base 10 AP,Real Cost 2)

a-Dense Shell: 2 levels Density Increase (20 AP,2 Real Cost).

b-Tough Shell: +5 PD/ED Force Field (20AP,2 Real Cost),plus the following:

Life Support:: Self-contained Breathing and Immunity to all Terrestrial Diseases & Poisons,No conscious Control (-2),character must be at 50% Of BODY (-1)(30 Ap,7 Real Cost).

[TaxiMan]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

No Concious Control at the -2 level only kicks on when the GM wants it to. Since Life Support is Persistant (or something like that, IDHMBIFOM) and I don't know when it would ever be in concept for it to NOT be on (except the 1/2 Body), I'd drop that limitation. The -1 limitation for being at 50% Body seems to cover it all.

 

Otherwise, you could be at 10% Body, poisoned, suffocating, and the GM could say "Hmmmm.... don't know why, but your Life Support hasn't kicked in yet!".

[Mentor]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

Actually' date='you'd have to get GM's permission for this EC, as only Powers that naturally cost END are allowable in Fifth Edition EC's.(If i were Steve Long,I'd just have forbade all Always On Powers from being in Power Frameworks unless all Powers in the Framework have the Always On limitation.But I'm not Steve Long,unfortunately).[/quote']

Really , you have to get GM permission for any character or set up that would take away from the game enjoyment. There are a lot more problems than power legality that can ruin a game.

[Southern Cross]

Re: How much of a Limitation...?

 

True enough,though if you take that option the EC base now costs 5 Real points,as do both of the slots.And the cost ofthe character's Life Support is raised from 7 to 15 points.