L. Marcus Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word Of the Commonwealth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word well that too I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word Moses supposes that posies are roses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinKitty Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word Hi Marcus. I woke up at 3:30 am and can't get back to sleep. Now it's 6:10 am. Not my time of day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word Hi Beth! Not a morning person, eh? ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word who is [a morning person] at 3:30am? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinKitty Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word No, I usually sleep late. Tonight I have to speak in front of a crowd. I hope I can get some rest at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word What are you gonna speak about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word Insomnia. hee hee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinKitty Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word My life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word A good topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Re: The Last Word yes, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinKitty Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Re: The Last Word Did talk. It went well. Got laughs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Re: The Last Word yay Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Re: The Last Word Sounds like you were well received! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted March 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Re: The Last Word read this first: With that in mind, read this musing of mine. [musing] Designers: Broadly speaking - practical (or applied) philosophers - counterbalance to engineers. Just as engineers work within a context of physics (archaically natural philosophy) & mathematics, a designer works within the context of philosophy (political philosophy, aesthetics, philosophy of language, logic). The framework for this philosophical context of reality for designers is precisely is that of the social-cultural norms of community (aka civilisation) as it integrates with the contextual reality of engineers. Where-as engineers have the contextual reality of physics & maths. Both of these contextual realities of engineers and designers (and scientists and philosophers) are human abstractions of substantial reality AS-IT-IS. Both of these spheres of context should be handmaidens to each other, and wherein they do, greatness is more likely to be achieved, for the betterment of civilisation, and thus engineering can be elevated to art. edit/addendum: As an example, take the Roman roads and the Roman aqueducts, as a collaboration between designers and engineers. Another example is the printing press. An engineer built it because the physicist and mathematician told him it was possible. However it was the designer (professional typographer, today desktop publisher) who made that invention useful (and usable) for society (advancing civilisation). The output of the printing press being typographically produced books. Designers are the arbiters (and intercede) between the realms of engineering and society (anthropology may come into this, ethnography definitely). In a sense, designers commission engineers to build things for the advancement of civilisation. edit 2/addendum 2: In a very real sense, civilisation is held within the mind of the people within that civilisation. This is achieved by the creation of the two contexts of reality, that of science & mathematics (aka for the engineers) and philosophy (context for the designers). As stated above, these two are abstractions (and perceptions) of substantial reality—what ACTUALLY-IS. [/musing] Comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Re: The Last Word Comment? Plenty of designers in the engineer area as well. Design doesn't have to come from any of the other disciplines and many of the arguments set forth in the article, I see in good Quality Assurance people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word The schism between physical science and design didn't start happening until ... 18th Century? ... if it happened at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word Nineteenth, I'd guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word In the 19th Century it became essential, what with the emergence of working heat engines as routinely-harnessed industrial power sources. Now, even in antiquity, design was not something for amateurs. Rome's great architectural accomplishments were not done by clueless newbs. But physical theory was a much rougher thing at that time ... what was known wasn't ignored, but it was far from complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word More rules-of-thumbs rather that laws of nature. ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word "Hello, my name is Cancer. And I am an office-supply hoarder." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word Having a fetish for paperclips, do we? ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word No, I only accumulate those honestly. It's the pens and pads of various kinds of paper. Mine ... they must all be mine .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Re: The Last Word Ballpoint or pencil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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