BlueBuddha Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I asked Steve if you could use Suppress on characteristics, and he refered me to 5ER page 227, which I am sadly lacking. Can somebody help a brother out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics No. That is I don't have 5er either but according to FRED/FAQ you can't supress characteristics. If you are desperate for the effect you could have a drain with continuous that fully recovers when you stop maintaining it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBuddha Posted February 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Okay. That's what I thought. I had a player want to buy it, but I said no, and offered him a Drain instead. He's thinking it over. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Cermak Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics 5ER, page 227: "A character with Suppress can partially or wholly neutralize another character's Characteristics and/or Powers." So, yes, you can. However, Suppress' cousin, Dispel, explicitly cannot be used on Characteristics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Live and learn; cheers, Andrew. Matter of interest if you supress Stun in excess of the target's CON in a single attack does that cause the target to become stunned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMitchell Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Live and learn; cheers' date=' Andrew.Matter of interest if you supress Stun in excess of the target's CON in a single attack does that cause the target to become stunned?[/quote']Yes, it does. 5ER p. 228.Suppress is doubly dangerous because you can pile more than one activation on top of each other (assuming you can pay the END to maintain them, of course). I built a character once based on "freezing" an opponent in time. He had a sizeable Suppress vs. SPD. Never played him, because he was ridiculously broken. Give him two attacks, and the opponent is never going to get another action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Kewl: 10d6 stun supress, instant (-.5) For 33 points you have a power that will stun almost anyone but cause them no damage. That seems like a show stopper.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirViss Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics There was a thread about Suppressing stun not too long ago. Something you have to remember is that if you stop paying END, all the Stun comes back, but the interesting thing is this: When someone is reduced to 0 Stun or less, they usually lose all their END also. But if the Stun was reduced by Suppressing it, and you turn off the Suppress, the target's END returns to what it was before he was at 0 Stun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics I vaguely recall that, but would a 'stunned' effect also turn off? that doesn't seem to make much sense..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics I asked Steve if you could use Suppress on characteristics' date=' and he refered me to 5ER page 227, which I am sadly lacking. Can somebody help a brother out?[/quote'] You can Suppress Characteristics. You cannot Dispel Characteristics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Live and learn; cheers, Andrew. Matter of interest if you supress Stun in excess of the target's CON in a single attack does that cause the target to become stunned? Yes. On a side note, I would extend Dmg Reduction's protection vs Drains affecting BODY or STUN to cover Suppress vs BODY or STUN as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Yes. On a side note, I would extend Dmg Reduction's protection vs Drains affecting BODY or STUN to cover Suppress vs BODY or STUN as well. Very sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirViss Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics I vaguely recall that' date=' but would a 'stunned' effect also turn off? that doesn't seem to make much sense.....[/quote'] Nope, the guy would still be "Stunned", or that was the conclusion that was arrived at in the other thread. Note: Wait a minute! You started that thread so you should be familiar with it! It's right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Raven Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics There was a thread about Suppressing stun not too long ago. Something you have to remember is that if you stop paying END, all the Stun comes back, but the interesting thing is this: When someone is reduced to 0 Stun or less, they usually lose all their END also. But if the Stun was reduced by Suppressing it, and you turn off the Suppress, the target's END returns to what it was before he was at 0 Stun. Wait, I thought that if you Suppress (or use any other method) to reduce a target to 0 STUN or less, his END drops to zero, and the only way to get that END back is through Recoveries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Shrike Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Wait' date=' I thought that if you Suppress (or use any other method) to reduce a target to 0 STUN or less, his END drops to zero, and the only way to get that END back is through Recoveries.[/quote'] Dont have my book handy, but IIRC when you recover from being below 0 STUN your END is equal to your STUN. So, from the hip, I'd imagine that if you were knocked out by a Suppress, when the Suppress turned off your END would be equal to your STUN, whatever that happened to be with the Suppress off. But, Im just spitballing -- Id have to check the book to be positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceprincessecho Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Kewl: 10d6 stun supress, instant (-.5) For 33 points you have a power that will stun almost anyone but cause them no damage. That seems like a show stopper.... Want to make it more fun? Add AoE or Explosion. I prefer Explosion for this one, personally, just for the imagery of a 'stun bomb'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirViss Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Wait' date=' I thought that if you Suppress (or use any other method) to reduce a target to 0 STUN or less, his END drops to zero, and the only way to get that END back is through Recoveries.[/quote'] Here is the link to where I found out about that quirk in the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Raven Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Re: Suppress on Characteristics Dont have my book handy, but IIRC when you recover from being below 0 STUN your END is equal to your STUN. So, from the hip, I'd imagine that if you were knocked out by a Suppress, when the Suppress turned off your END would be equal to your STUN, whatever that happened to be with the Suppress off. But, Im just spitballing -- Id have to check the book to be positive. I think I like this explination.... would still kinda suck for characters that have lots more END than STUN normally... but it's not too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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