steph Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Hello Community,I have a question concerning the combat maneuvers vs martial arts. At our last game, a warrior tried to make a move by with one of her martial arts technique: A great swing that increases its damage to 4DC and she got also a +3 CSL with is martial art style . It is legal to use a martial art with a combat maneuver. For example : I make a haymaker or a move by with my great swing maneuvers. And if it's legal, The warrior can keep its CSL and Bonus in DC or the martial art maneuver ? Hope i am clear English not my first language Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I see 2 questions here. 1. Is it legal to use CSL's that applies to Martial Arts with a Martial Maneuver? Yes. 2. Is it legal to combine a Haymaker with a Martial Arts Maneuver or CSL's that apply to Martial Arts? No. Haymaker is its own separate Combat Maneuver and cannot be combined with a Martial Maneuver. Also, Martial Damage Classes do not apply to a Haymaker either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 ok if i understand your answer. My CSL with a martial art can be use with martial Maneuvers. But i can't make a move by with my martial art great swing. Correct ? Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Martial Maneuvers are combat maneuvers (CC 148). See Hyper-man's #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Sorry my mistake. My CSL with a martial art (sword martial art), Can be use with a normal combat maneuvers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Sorry guys Language barrier. Let me ask you with a example: Can i use my CSL with a martial art sword fighting to make a Standard combat maneuvers like Disarm ? Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 No need to apologize. You don't want to see how I'd fare in another language. To answer your question, I will say No, based on the descriptions above. These sound like either 3 pt (small group) or 5 pt (large group) skill levels which are defined as applying to the martial arts technique the character has. The standard Disarm maneuver is not part of that group (based on your descriptions), so the skill levels do not apply. This does not mean that you couldn't have a skill level that applies to specific maneuvers, both standard and optional. For example, I could take a 3 pt (small group) skill level with Disarm, Martial Strike, and Block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 But I've been told that you CAN use a 2 pt Skill Level with a weapon with any maneuver with that weapon. Lucius Alexander Skill Levels with Palindromedary Mounted Weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 But I've been told that you CAN use a 2 pt Skill Level with a weapon with any maneuver with that weapon. Lucius Alexander Skill Levels with Palindromedary Mounted Weapons True. (CC 27) The skill levels steph mentions appear to be for the martial art (which happens to use a sword), not the sword itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah is for the martial art (a 5 points CSL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 You may want to consider purchasing CSL's with HTH Combat or All Swords. Not sure on the costs until I can reference the rule books later but both should be somewhere between 5 and 10 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah is for the martial art (a 5 points CSL) So the skill levels apply to martial maneuvers (granted by the Martial Art skill you purchased). They do not apply to non-martial art maneuvers just because you are using a sword (which I assume is a weapon element for the martial art). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Baker Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 You may want to consider purchasing CSL's with HTH Combat or All Swords. Not sure on the costs until I can reference the rule books later but both should be somewhere between 5 and 10 points. Per CC 27, HTH is 8, Swords would be 3 (as all bladed weapons is 5). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 If you have only one Weapon Element for a Martial Art, you're better off buying Skill Levels for the WEAPON rather than Skill Levels for the ART. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary wants to buy Extra Damage Classes for non-Martial Maneuvers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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