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Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) Good points, the problem however is this, you are asking people to agree to a real sacrifice now in order to prevent a "what if" scenrio down the road that is based off a theory which may or may not be true. If you believe that your lifestyle is causing Global Warming then by all means, lower your actual enviromental footprint to whatever level you deem as sustainable. Hell, preach the good cause and convince enough of humanity to do the same volunatarily. The pushback that you run up against is when you try to use governmental powers to force your ideas on others. As for "droughts are nothing new", the logic is actually quite simple, you aren't allowed to use a series of events which has been happening since the very beginning of time itself as proof of man caused global warming. Show me an area which has never been affected by a prior drought and maybe I'll be impressed.

Re: Psychic Ships Wouldn't a fast enough regen on the ship work as a rules work-around? Perhaps with a limitation that it is only usable if the ship isn't moving or taking damage.

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) How is that in any way, form or fashion a Godwin? *shrugs* Can you really not see the similiarities between making the claim that anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of virtual genocide and a Godwin? True, but I think you are forgetting something, droughts are nothing new, look at the Great Dustbowl. Hell, I remember the last drought that struck my neck of the woods, it was a bad stretch but survivable, without having to relocate. But then again, I admit that I'm not a Third World farmer either. Not really, droughts are nothing new, they've come and gone for at least as long as mankind has walked the Earth. ---- Ok, awhile back I promised that I'd get around to answering McCoy's "what if" scenrio, one billion dead or displaced, and if I remember the numbers correctly, anywhere from 300-500 million refugees over an unspecifed time period. How does this affect the average First Worlder? The simple and brutal answer is that it doesn't affect us nearly as much as it should in a fair and just universe. I mean just look at how very little the plight of the Third World affects us now, seemingly unending droughts, famine, disease, and genocide have been a blight on the collective human soul for as long as I can remember and a brief glance through history suggests to me that it always has been. How much did the tidal wave that hit Asia a while back really affect your lifestyle? How about the earthquake in Hati? Japan probably did somewhat because of the manifacturing that was shut down but even that had only a relatively slight ripple and Japan is part of the First World. I believe that SteveZilla has the right of it, even if you're right the refugees are not going to be arriving in one massive wave of human suffering, they will come in fits and starts, and at least in the Free World will be dealt with in a fairly humane if inperfect fashion, especially as the rising temp opens up new lands. I predict a couple of bad decades, especially for people who rely on governmental or private safety nets but hardly the end of civilazation as we know it. Hell, any real change in lifestyle would come in the form of a possible cultural shift as the refugees bring their customs and beliefs to their new homes. If you really want an eye opener, study how the Christians in the Third World read the Book of Revalation.

Re: Religion in Science-Fiction? I think perhaps a simpler way to put it is this; Would you die in place of a family member or friend? How about a total stranger? Why or why not?

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) McCoy Awhile back you said that not treating Global Warming as totaly true and heading it off is being guilty of a billion counts of negilent homicide to which I replied that if the warmists in the enviromental movement got their way you'd get your wish of a much reduced human population. Old Man Very true, although I think I'd argue that the demographic shift towards urban areas as opposed to rural had a huge effect as well. However I'm not really sure that simply uplifting the developing world to First World standards is really an option for solving global warming.

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) Meh, final solution, ultimate solution, only solution, true solution. I think you are trying far too hard to find Third Riech references, if I were inclined to call someone a Nazi, trust me, it wouldn't be veiled. *shrugs* And I've been sure to do my part as well, three daughters with one more child currently on the way. Uh-huh, and how exactly do you intend to convince the Third World to voluntarily embrace birth control and stop "breeding like rabbits in Australia" in order to begin the diedown? And what measures are necessary to ensure that the current population trend of the First World remain in place?

Re: Religion in Science-Fiction? Repped.

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) Uh-huh, any other population reduction measures in history that you care to mention as "admiring the results of"? I mean seriously, stop and think about what you are actually saying. *slaps forehead* Aww, I almost forgot, by your very own words, the First World has already taken the only truly acceptable step in solving our problems by dying faster then our birthrate can support. (And yeah, it's my understanding that you are correct about Europe's numbers as well and if I remember correctly they started before we did.) So, I'll ask again, what enforcement measures would be needed to ensure that both the First World and the Third stick to your final solution for Global Warming? And what penalities should there be for countries and people who didn't stop "breeding like rabbits in Australia"? SteveZilla, McCoy is referring to the predictions of mass death and waves of refugees from the areas hardest hit by Global Warming, if my brain isn't jello at the moment I seem to recall that the prediction a few years back was that we'd have around one hundred million "enviromental refugees" by 2010. *EDIT* Hmm, almost forgot to address McCoy's question, out of your "billion" how many are dead versus displaced and what countries do the majority of refugees stem from in your scenerio?

Re: Toxic Laser Seconded, what advantages does the laser platform offer to offset the toxic fumes and supply line issues? *EDIT* As for rule building, I agree that the side effect rules are probably your best bet.

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) Hey now, no need to get insulting, a square mile or two is all you're willing to credit me? Seriously though, let's wave a magic wand and pretend for a few moments that you are right (What can I say, tis a really good magic wand.). Now what? I guess we have to roll up our sleeves and look at what really needs to be done to resolve the issue. Exactly how much does the world need to cut our emissions by? What enforcement measurements are needed to ensure that both the First World and the Third World abide by the cuts for the good of all? Don't forget the penalities for countries and people who "cheat". Now, once you've been able to figure that out, why don't you explain to the audience what the necessary anti-global warming programs will mean for the average First Worlder, then contrast to the developing nations.

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Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) I doubt very many people could disagree with you on that Vondy. Of course, now comes the hard part, define reasonable.

Re: Paper Meh, all of my children, who were never exposed to Ipads, ect, did the exact same thing as the video shows, just as I suspect all little kids do with colorful, glossy paper.

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) Interesting but the question that pops to mind is that if the linked article is correct then why hasn't this issue already been settled? Hell, the way it's explained anything that is shot through the accelerator should register as traveling faster then it "really" is. Of course, could be that this is the first time they've bothered to time things using this system I supose ...

Re: Paper Radio show a couple of weekends ago claimed that there was something hitting the market now, but it was hidiously expensive.

Re: Religion in Science-Fiction? Hmm, kindof makes you wonder what happens if a hyperspace bypass needs to be routed through the solar system...

Re: Paper I tend to believe that libraries will continue to go digital, but books will always be around because quite frankly sitting in your easy chair with a good cigar and your kindle just isn't the same... *EDIT* Of course, I imagine that as E-Readers go down in cost and up in durablity, books will quickly become a luxary of the wealthy or legal documents.

Re: Transplanted Immortality Would you feel the same if someone could turn your brain into a computer one braincell at a time while you were fully awake and wouldn't even notice the process until it was complete and then they transplanted the cyberbrain into a new body?

Re: What FTL Drives do people use in their campaigns? And what techno bable do you us bigbywolfe what happens if two Dark Matter engines are used at the same time?

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) While we're on the subject, and I fully admit that this probably is a very stupid question, but even if the detector was shielded and aimed correctly, how much noise would there be regardless?

Re: Religion in Science-Fiction?

Re: Weird ship names requested. It seems to me that since there isn't really a naming scheme perhaps one of the best resources you could find is a list of registered ship names for private boats. A list of pet names could also work, or if the tradition of ships being "female" continues then a loney spacer might start naming his fleet after old girlfriends or his exwife.

Re: Weird ship names requested. Nellie

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) It seems that we've been misunderstanding each other, you are talking about whether or not setting off nukes can affect global temps in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do (Something which I don't think anyone can reasonably despute.), I'm talking about the hype which claimed mankind was spewing enough junk into the air simply by living our First World lifestyles that we were going to end life as we know it and usher in a new ice age. No harm done? I think you need to sit down and think about what the limitations the warmists wish to impose upon us will actually mean for humanity. But as much as I hate doing it, I'll predict this, if the watermelons in the enviromental movement ever do suceed in strangling the modern world, your dream of a smaller population will come true, and the deaths will be on your head. As an aside, I find it really ironic that we're going round and round about global warming on a day where I had to wear gloves to prevent my fingers from going numb.

Re: Science: Particles seen moving at FTL speeds (CERN) Perhaps, I would agrue that looking at one's track record is the more important judge however as in the end, results are what really matter.