Lord Mhoram Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Another thing on just plain speeding up combat.... Dunno if you players are long term HERO players or not, but make sure they know how to count thier dice.... make groups that total 10 - Match 6s & 4s pairs of fives, 6,3,1 ect... that speeds things up very much at our table. Also is the quick way to count body: Take the dice rolled and for every 6 there is without a 1, add one, and alternately for every 1 there is without a 6, subtract one. Tricks most experienced HERO players know, but in teaching the people newer to the system, that can cut time off calculating the numbers, and let the players stay focused on the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Another thing on just plain speeding up combat.... Dunno if you players are long term HERO players or not, but make sure they know how to count thier dice.... make groups that total 10 - Match 6s & 4s pairs of fives, 6,3,1 ect... that speeds things up very much at our table. Also is the quick way to count body: Take the dice rolled and for every 6 there is without a 1, add one, and alternately for every 1 there is without a 6, subtract one. Tricks most experienced HERO players know, but in teaching the people newer to the system, that can cut time off calculating the numbers, and let the players stay focused on the game. One Body method I use is take the number of Dice Rolled, add the number of sixes you see, subtract the number of ones and you have the Body Done. 5 Dice, 2 6s and 1 One = 5+2-1 = 6 Body. That and for helping new ppl and speeding up combat I use the following formula for attacking: 11+OCV+Modifiers-DieRoll = DCV Hit. With that a player can just state what DCV they hit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! One Body method I use is take the number of Dice Rolled, add the number of sixes you see, subtract the number of ones and you have the Body Done. 5 Dice, 2 6s and 1 One = 5+2-1 = 6 Body. Yeah that is a more succint way of saying what I was trying to get across. That will teach me to try and post wtihin minutes after I get up. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! One of my preferred house rules: no megascale on movement powers. I can't stand it. I also would like to eliminate END from the game. What I'd like to see: For tiring powers a side effect that drains STUN. I also like Nucleon's version of killing attacks, but I'd like to play and try them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Pardon my not adding much to the discussion, don't do much in houserules for combat.... But I have to comment on the irony of someone suggesting something for Susano that might be found in Ninja Hero. Well, you know...It might've been the old 4th edition version of Ninja Hero! I don't remember. But in either case, my version differes from the published version slightly, which is why I posted it :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mhoram Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! But in either case, my version differes from the published version slightly, which is why I posted it :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Here is my rough draft of house rules. Not all are good for everyone, but they create the kind of metahuman play I desire. The "END as set regulator" is a brand new adaption we are trying out. To simplify game play and character construction for new players, without eliminating complex builds for more experienced players. It has downstream effects I have not fully catalogued yet (eliminating FF as a separate power from Armor is one) so I would suggest playing with this only if you desire to tinker as you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioKAOS Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Here is my rough draft of house rules. Not all are good for everyone, but they create the kind of metahuman play I desire. The "END as set regulator" is a brand new adaption we are trying out. To simplify game play and character construction for new players, without eliminating complex builds for more experienced players. It has downstream effects I have not fully catalogued yet (eliminating FF as a separate power from Armor is one) so I would suggest playing with this only if you desire to tinker as you play. Keep us updated on the "END as Set Regulator" - I am interested in trying that out as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawksmoor Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Yes RDUNeil how does working in Haymakers fit in with HERO Initiative. And I so agree with the silly nonsensical add-on capability of Dispel to break foci. Hawksmoor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted September 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Pardon my not adding much to the discussion, don't do much in houserules for combat.... But I have to comment on the irony of someone suggesting something for Susano that might be found in Ninja Hero. Could be worse. Could be the time someone recommended me to my very own website.... I quote Rage: "Who do you think you're talking to?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted September 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Here is my rough draft of house rules. Not all are good for everyone' date=' but they create the kind of metahuman play I desire.[/quote'] Thanks RDU Neil. I like a lot of what I see here and have marked some as possible "house rules" for future play. Of course, it will also depend on what we end up playing. KAZEI 5 has far different house rules than say... Student Warrior University. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost-angel Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Could be worse. Could be the time someone recommended me to my very own website.... I quote Rage: "Who do you think you're talking to?" That's the ultimate compliment though isn't it... I remember once I was going out looking for information on a band and end up back at my own website thinking "Hey! someone stole my desi.. oh." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archermoo Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! That's the ultimate compliment though isn't it... I remember once I was going out looking for information on a band and end up back at my own website thinking "Hey! someone stole my desi.. oh." Yeah, I've had that happen looking for Rolemaster CharGen stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted September 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! That's the ultimate compliment though isn't it... I remember once I was going out looking for information on a band and end up back at my own website thinking "Hey! someone stole my desi.. oh." I did get a good laugh out of it, especially since the guy was thought the site was really cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Could be worse. Could be the time someone recommended me to my very own website....That's not a problem. A problem is when they tell you to stay away from your own site. And tell you exactly why you should, in great and insulting detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! That's not a problem. A problem is when they tell you to stay away from your own site. And tell you exactly why you should' date=' in great and insulting detail.[/quote'] Especially when you start to sympathize and agree with them before realizing it is your website, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! RDU Neil's house rules. I hope he doesn't mind me uploading his stuff. If you can't to Word' date=' let me know and I'll HTML it.[/quote'] I'd already posted them above... but no, I don't mind you posting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Keep us updated on the "END as Set Regulator" - I am interested in trying that out as well. So far it is fine. For already created characters, you look at their max level attack (without pushing) and make sure they have END equal to the Active Points of this attack. Normally ok... just with Martial Artist types, you have to look for sneaky Hand Attacks and Martial Damage Classes which might not be as apparent as 14d6 EB. Most 300-400 point characters have 60 -70 END to cover their attacks... often saving points by getting BACK points from all the 1/2 END or Zero END they'd bought. The only real down stream "game change" is that for defenses... Force Field becomes broken with free Zero END. I just chucked it as a power by itself... and if a character wants a Force Field like power... they buy Armor, and slap -1/4 Non Persistent on it. SFX... glowy field... good to go. Really, we've had no problems with this, other than remembering to do slight re-writes on the many, many old characters that float around the Red Dragon Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted September 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Red Dragon Universe. So that's what the RDU stands for! Anyway, I looked over the House Rules and will be using some in my next game(s). Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Yes RDUNeil how does working in Haymakers fit in with HERO Initiative. And I so agree with the silly nonsensical add-on capability of Dispel to break foci. Hawksmoor Haymakers happen at the end of the action round you declare it. First action... delare it... and it happens after all other first actions are done... but BEFORE second actions. This works fine... but our group doesn't use Haymaker much. I think our Push rules take care of the need for Haymakers for the most part... at least that is what I think the reason is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioKAOS Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! So far it is fine. For already created characters, you look at their max level attack (without pushing) and make sure they have END equal to the Active Points of this attack. Normally ok... just with Martial Artist types, you have to look for sneaky Hand Attacks and Martial Damage Classes which might not be as apparent as 14d6 EB. Most 300-400 point characters have 60 -70 END to cover their attacks... often saving points by getting BACK points from all the 1/2 END or Zero END they'd bought. The only real down stream "game change" is that for defenses... Force Field becomes broken with free Zero END. I just chucked it as a power by itself... and if a character wants a Force Field like power... they buy Armor, and slap -1/4 Non Persistent on it. SFX... glowy field... good to go. Really, we've had no problems with this, other than remembering to do slight re-writes on the many, many old characters that float around the Red Dragon Universe. Nice. I think I'm going to use that in my upcomming game. Thanks again. EDIT: do you only allow them to use said amount of active points at a time, limited by their END? or just that their END is the max active points they can use in a single power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Nice. I think I'm going to use that in my upcomming game. Thanks again. EDIT: do you only allow them to use said amount of active points at a time, limited by their END? or just that their END is the max active points they can use in a single power? END is the max DC or Active Points that can be used (without pushing) in a single power or framework slot. The main reason we went to this rule was to simplify game play and limit book keeping and the like. Having each player measure their AP limits is interesting (I like it conceptually) but would be a level of complication we probably wouldn't enjoy in play. YMMV. Let me know how the rule plays out in your game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silbeg Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! The only House Rules we realy use are Succor should not be bought 0END. Good rule! I would agree that Succor bought to 0END (pr worse, Persistent), is far more powerful than an Aid. I might consider allowing it, with the proper limitations... but probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! Good rule! I would agree that Succor bought to 0END (pr worse' date=' Persistent), is far more powerful than an Aid. I might consider allowing it, with the proper limitations... but probably not.[/quote'] While I've never tested it, I'd think Succor bought to 0 END could be made to work in a reasonable manner. Here's my idea: give Succor bought to 0 END a "default" duration. I'm thinking one to five minutes, leaning towards one minute. This is long enough to be useful in a combat, but not quite usable for "I start my Succor (Everything I can do) power in the morning, and let it cover me all day." If you want to make it last longer, you buy an Advantage like Delayed Return Rate, only it makes the Succor last longer; perhaps start at +1/2 instead of +1/4. If one minute base seems too long, use one turn; at the strictest, a 0 END Succor that increases STR by 2d6 for one hour would cost: Succor 2d6 [10] 0 END (+1/2), Delayed Return Rate - 1 hour (+1 1/4) [27] and that seems reasonable to me. After all, if you want to slip in under the radar on this one, you use Only Costs END To Activate, which may fatigue you somewhat, but isn't technically 0 END. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: Give me your house rules! I'm not saying at all that 0 End Succor can't be reasonable. I'm saying that all the examples of Succor becoming game breaking seem to incorporate 0 End (or End Only to Activate; whatever), and somehow the discussion over this type of construct comes up over and over and over and over again, always with the same basic conclusions. Succor by itself isn't all that abusable (aside from the ways Aid itself is). The combination is definitely and easily abusable. Succor itself shouldn't have a, "stop sign." Succor with Reduced End Cost should. Doesn't mean you can't use it. Simply means WATCH OUT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.