Michael Hopcroft Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 How do you model an Entangle that causes pain but not actual damage when living beings attempt to free themselves from it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actingkeith Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle ...an Entangle that causes pain but not actual damage... You're thinking about Special Effects and not Game Effects. Since there is no Game Effect for pain, you can just define the power saying it causes pain, but no real damage and be done with it. That's how HERO System works. Now, if on the other hand, you want the pain to actually do something to the entangled character... then I'd have to ask you what you'd like the pain to do to her? Does she have to make an EGO Roll to try again? You need to think about it backwards in this game... don't think about pain and ask how to build it... think about what game effect you want and then call it pain. It'll save you a ton of headaches when you finally figure that out. Peace, -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actingkeith Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle Ok, after having said the above, I often simulate pain with a STUN only attack... You might consider building the Entangle with Feedback and calling it pain. As I recall, that's what Feedback was designed for with regards to Entangles. Peace, -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Raven Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle How do you model an Entangle that causes pain but not actual damage when living beings attempt to free themselves from it? As actingkeith said, you can simply say "feels pain" is part of the SFX and be done with it (a marvelous idea and repped). However, if you do want there to be a mechanical effect, such as loss of STUN, you can easily simulate it with the Feedback Advantage, with a conditional modifier (-0) that it only STUN damage is fed back and BODY is ignored (except for damaging the Entangle of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle How about a linked mind control based on CON with a single command 'Don't try to break out: it hurts'. Build: 12d6 mind control, single command (_1/2) linked entangle (-1/2) Costs 30 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle Now' date=' if on the other hand, you want the pain to actually [i']do[/i] something to the entangled character... then I'd have to ask you what you'd like the pain to do to her? Does she have to make an EGO Roll to try again? Now this was what I thought of immediately, though I thought "Must make EGO roll to attempt break-out". Wasn't sure how to cost this into the Entangle though. Sean's Mind Control could be a way though that would require an CON roll? My thought was to link two entangles, one would be a continuous uncontrollable entangle based on PRE, no BODY and limited DEF which would have to be broken for the normal entangle to be attacked. Each time the PRE entangle was broken then the normal entangle would potentially take damage and then the PRE entangle would reset due to its continuous uncontrollable nature. The PRE entangle would stop resetting when the normal entangle was broken. Expensive I think but it would be a powerful prison for many people. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle You could also build the entangle with feedback that only did stun, if you define 'no damage' as 'no body'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle Or if you want the target to, "feel pain," when (s)he actually succeeds at breaking out, use a Triggered attack of some sort (probably a Stun Only EB or something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle Semi-non-sequitur, but how's this: Entangle 6d6/6 DEF 60 points LINKED: Flight 8" UAA uncontrolled 0 END range (+2.5/-0.5) 37 points Basically you englobe the target in a helium balloon, so when they break out they have a nice fall to look forward to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Raven Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Re: Painful Entangle Semi-non-sequitur, but how's this: Entangle 6d6/6 DEF 60 points LINKED: Flight 8" UAA uncontrolled 0 END range (+2.5/-0.5) 37 points Basically you englobe the target in a helium balloon, so when they break out they have a nice fall to look forward to Ooh! Ooh! Are you a good witch or a bad witch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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