Building a power with different limitations

[dmt]

I want to build a power that is very limited normally, but then when I do something like put on a super suit it gets much better and loses a lot of the limitations. How do I build a power like this cheapest?

[jkwleisemann]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

Buy the heavily limited power.

 

Buy off the limitation, with the added "OIF: Super Suit" focus.

 

Tack on an OIF Multipower or Elemental Control with any other powers it grants.

 

Did this for a Pyro-like character; he could crank up his body temp and control fires, but not actually produce fires himself.

 

His suit, however, burst into controllable flame any time he cranked his body temp up. Buy off the No Range on his EB, "OIF: Flames of Opportunity" on his Pyrokinesis, tack on Flight and a few other powers, ready to roll.

[Chris Goodwin]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

Variable Limitation. You can specify the Limitations used to satisfy the Variable Limitation. So, you can create your Power with Variable Limitation: Limitations X, Y, and Z, or OIF: Super Suit.

[Sean Waters]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

Example: 20/20 force field: 40 points

 

Normally it is at 2x END

 

When I put on a power focussing suit it is at 1/2 END.

 

Not entirely straightforward, but here is how I'd do it:

 

Start with 40 points

 

The 2x END is a -1/2 limitation

 

The suit is OAF -1/2

 

The 1/2 END is a +1/4 advantage.

 

The 2x END would save you (40-27)=13 points

 

The 1/2 END would cost you 10 points.

 

Both the saving and the cost have a -1/2 'limitation'

 

SO: 13 points at -1/2 = 9 point saving

 

10 points at -1/2 = 7 point cost.

 

Therefore the power will cost you 40 (base)-9(double END when not in suit)+7(half end when in suit)=38 points.

 

Not sure that is canon, but that's how I'd do it. I suppose you could buy the 1/2 END as a naked advantage focused through the suit, if that makes you happier.

 

If the FF goes up to 30/30 at half END when int he suit, just add the extra points:

 

+10/10 FF at half end = 25 points, in a OAF (-1/2)=+17 points.

[Kdansky]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

I would go with naked advantage focused through the suit.

 

Wait. That leaves the problem that we actually could construct this:

 

EB 12d6 - 60 AP. Endx10 = -2

total cost: 20 cp

 

naked advantage: +1/4 half end cost, on 60 that is 15 cp, not limited (or limited as lightly as possible to maximize effect).

 

total cost: 35 cp for a 12d6 EB with half end cost, and breaking the AP limit too...

 

Very bad

[ghost-angel]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

Variable Limitations.

[JmOz]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

Variable Limitations.

 

I personaly dislike the "Limited Buy off" method, so I would favor a Variable LImitation if it would work, but that is just me

[Sean Waters]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

I would go with naked advantage focused through the suit.

 

Wait. That leaves the problem that we actually could construct this:

 

EB 12d6 - 60 AP. Endx10 = -2

total cost: 20 cp

 

naked advantage: +1/4 half end cost, on 60 that is 15 cp, not limited (or limited as lightly as possible to maximize effect).

 

total cost: 35 cp for a 12d6 EB with half end cost, and breaking the AP limit too...

 

Very bad

 

What you are not doing there is limiting the limitation through the focus: when the suit is on (if the GM allowed this, and i wouldn't) you'd still be running at 5x END.

[Sean Waters]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

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The problem with variable limitations is that, if I understand it right, the original power is heavily limited. Variable limitaions are only going to work if the limitations with and without the suit balance.

 

The limited limitation is a far more flexible method for this particular situation, IMO - in fact it will always work, whereas the window for using variable limtiations is - well - limited.

[Killer Shrike]

Re: Building a power with different limitations

 

If the power is EQUALLY LIMITED (same total Lim value) under either scenario then Variable Limitation.

 

If the power is DIFFERENTLY LIMITED then a Partially Limited Buyoff.

 

For a Partially Limited Buyoff you pay back the points a Lim / Lims saved you and apply some other Lim(s) to that cost.

 

So:

 

10d6 EB (50 AP), Some Lim (-1); Real Cost = 25

Some Lim saved 25 points, so:

Partially Limited Buyoff (Some Lim on 10d6 EB) (25 AP), Some Other Lim (-1/2); Real Cost = 17

 

Total Cost is 25 + 17 = 42.

Net point savings is 8 points