nexus Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 From a world where the Roman Empire never fell and lasted into modern times. The style is a rough and tumble evolution of Pankration along with unarmed fighting styles from the eastern edge of the Empire. It was developed for female covert operatives and focuses mostly breaking holds, throws and disabling a stronger opponent to delay pursuit Alongside the espionage use the style is used as a form self defense by high society women, a down and dirty form has evolved that is used by whores and courtesans along side of a "sport" form used by female gladiator/wrestlers for entertainment purposes. The combat style is economical and effective but is considered "unmanly" and dirty fighting among men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thia Halmades Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Er... why do they have a special style for female covert operatives? Sorry, that just... glares to me. The Roman Empire wasn't all that progressive, IIRC, so I'm stumbling here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art First, because it's a light sci fi universe and it's a fun idea (IMO) and second its from a version Roman Empire after centuries of expansion and progress so it seems reasonable to assume SOME changes occurred. The where this will come up in set in the modern era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art A style developed by women for women to use against men? Survivors are going to call it cheating, fighting dirty, or a lucky punch. Call it Amazon Fighting, or Amazonia. Be sure to include the low blow as one of the maneuvers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thia Halmades Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Just a thought (as I tend to have and discuss them) but the roots of pankration don't really lend themselves to practice by females, and certainly not those likey to be 'working girls' or spies. The nature of the style relies on brute strength and muscle mass and toughness: not exactly the earmarks of such individuals. Have you considered looking to somethign like chi'na (Chinese small hand grappling), which focuses more on precision and skill than brute strength? Such a style would be a great counter to the brutish style of pankration. As far as nomenclature, how about the 'Silken hand,' or possibly the Silk Purse, for the art form with the combat method that counters the brutish 'sow's ear' of Pankration? [this post edited by by the LCpt. Thia Halmades] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Just a thought (as I tend to have and discuss them) but the roots of pankration don't really lend themselves to practice by females, and certainly not those likey to be 'working girls' or spies. The nature of the style relies on brute strength and muscle mass and toughness: not exactly the earmarks of such individuals. Have you considered looking to somethign like chi'na (Chinese small hand grappling), which focuses more on precision and skill than brute strength? Such a style would be a great counter to the brutish style of pankration. As far as nomenclature, how about the 'Silken hand,' or possibly the Silk Purse, for the art form with the combat method that counters the brutish 'sow's ear' of Pankration? [this post edited by by the LCpt. Thia Halmades] I mentioned in the original description some techniques from the "Eastern edge of the Empire" which is this case is our Asia/the "Far East" were also incorporated into the style and I know how Pankration developed (it's also beleived to have inspired or been inspired by some early forms of the Chinese martial arts, IIRC) but it also sounded good as basis for quasi "Roman" martial art so I went with it. I'm not going to get hung up "realism" I have people hopping from dimension to dimension with soft science device dealing with a race of militant cro mags and assorted "Elder Beings" from taking over the multiverse after all. Adherence to the foggy history of unarmed combat seems like a pretty small SOD stumbling block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Samson Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Some random female gladiator info...http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_murray_0703.htm I thinko Boudicca or Zenobia would sound cool (as a homage to women who stood up against Rome). http://listverse.com/history/top-10-badass-female-warriors/ More women warriors...http://www.lothene.demon.co.uk/others/women.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utech Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Potentia (low class) and Opulentia (high class) Effeminatus Intorqueo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Coll Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Pankration is Greek. Why not translate it into Latin? Omni---something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Potentia (low class) and Opulentia (high class) Effeminatus Intorqueo Thanks, those are interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caris Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art References to Minerva and/or Diana are possibilities, if the pre-Christian state religion survived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Coll Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art I give up. I can't find the meaning of "pankration" in any dictionary. So I can't turn it into Latin for you. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art I give up. I can't find the meaning of "pankration" in any dictionary. So I can't turn it into Latin for you. Sorry. IIRC, it means something like "All Power(ful)", "All Force" or "All Strength" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperJerry Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Hope this helps, from wikipedia: Pankration (Greek: Παγκράτιο(ν), Pagkratio(n), IPA: [paŋ.'kra.ti.o(n)]) is a martial arts sport introduced to the Greek Olympic Games in 648 BC and founded as a blend of boxing and wrestling. The term comes from the Ancient Greek παγκράτιον, literally meaning "all powers" and that from πᾶν (pan) "all" + κράτος (kratos) "strength" or "power". It is also used to describe the sport's contemporary variations. Some tout it as the first all-encompassing fighting system in human history. Modern mixed martial arts have many similar methods.[1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Just a thought (as I tend to have and discuss them) but the roots of pankration don't really lend themselves to practice by females, and certainly not those likey to be 'working girls' or spies. The nature of the style relies on brute strength and muscle mass and toughness: not exactly the earmarks of such individuals. Have you considered looking to somethign like chi'na (Chinese small hand grappling), which focuses more on precision and skill than brute strength? Such a style would be a great counter to the brutish style of pankration. As far as nomenclature, how about the 'Silken hand,' or possibly the Silk Purse, for the art form with the combat method that counters the brutish 'sow's ear' of Pankration? [this post edited by by the LCpt. Thia Halmades] good idea thia:thumbup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Bitch-slap-fu.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art The nature of the style relies on brute strength and muscle mass and toughness: not exactly the earmarks of such individuals. Have you considered looking to somethign like chi'na (Chinese small hand grappling)' date=' which focuses more on precision and skill than brute strength?[/quote'] And you know this how exactly? I'm going to skip on giving a long lecture about Pankration, since that's not really the heart of the thread. However, if Pankration was all about brute strength and muscle mass, then all of the Pankration champios would have been big burly men. While many Pankratists were known for their strength, the fact that smaller men were also champions in a sport without weight classes is quite telling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Coll Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art IIRC' date=' it means something like "All Power(ful)", "All Force" or "All Strength"[/quote'] Hope this helps, from wikipedia: Pankration (Greek: Παγκράτιο(ν), Pagkratio(n), IPA: [paŋ.'kra.ti.o(n)]) is a martial arts sport introduced to the Greek Olympic Games in 648 BC and founded as a blend of boxing and wrestling. The term comes from the Ancient Greek παγκράτιον, literally meaning "all powers" and that from πᾶν (pan) "all" + κράτος (kratos) "strength" or "power". All of which agrees with what a friend of mine told me. Unfortunately, that means the Latin would be Omnivis, which sounds like a supervillain played for laughs, or a laundry detergent. Pugnus is Latin for "fist". You could make up a feminine form, Pugna; that, however, means "fist fight, brawl". Pugna|tor, -o|ris is "fighter, warrior" and masculine; you could invent Pugna|trix, -tricis as a feminine form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utech Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art There's really no need to translate a Greek word into a Latin one. In the Roman Empire several forms of Latin and several forms of Greek were in common use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art I think I'll just go with Pankration Effemanitus with Oppulentia and Potentia as the substyles. Sounds close enough for government work. Thanks everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narratio Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art Decending into humor for a second. Why not consider Python's "Lap Goch", the Welsh art of self defense? The best form of defence is to attack and the secret of attack is surprise so Lap Goch relied on turning your enemy into 4 tins of cat meat before he even knew of your existence. Back on discussion. Given mass/strength ratios between todays average male/female frames, I'd have thought a martial art style that was more based on speed and surprise rather than grappling would have evolved. I mean, who really wants to get into a martial art where you can spend long moments smelling each others armpits as you grapple for supremacy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexus Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art The objective isn't to grapple and dominant but to injure, stun and escape hopefully disabling or discouraging pursuit. The principle maneuvers will be escapes, throws, joint breaks, low/dirty blow and eye rake, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thia Halmades Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art I give up. I can't find the meaning of "pankration" in any dictionary. So I can't turn it into Latin for you. Sorry. I missed if this was covered, but Pankration is "all powers." That would make the Latin, "Omnipotent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Coll Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art I missed if this was covered' date=' but Pankration is "all powers." That would make the Latin, "Omnipotent."[/quote'] Back #18 an before. "potens, -entis" is Latin for "capable, effective" and that kidn thing. Not quiet the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Coll Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Re: Looking for a good name for a Martial Art I think I'll just go with Pankration Effemanitus with Oppulentia and Potentia as the substyles. Sounds close enough for government work. Thanks everyone. "Effe|mina|tus -a -um" Means "effeminate" and is insulting. "Fe|mina|rum" would be "Women's" so its right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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