Gnaskar Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/27/obama-budget-drop-nasa-constellation-program/?test=faces NASA's plans for sending humans back to the moon by 2020 have been brutally terminated by the new budget. Now its all up to the private sector, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program I'm sorry to say, but scooped. It's a thread over in NGD, though, and that place isn't for everyone ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program Agreed. NGD is like a train wreck for me - horrendous, and yet difficult to keep my eyes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program The so-called Monkey Reflex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program The so-called Monkey Reflex. With an occasional gag reflex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMundi Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program *sigh* If they need more money why can't they just use the money for this retarded waste of Tax Money called Light Rail and Car Speed Railways. There's an Easy 9 Billion extra for them. I'm sure I could come up with more if I went rooting around in the pork. Hate those people now. :/ ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program Rex. Running out of oil? Global warming? It's not like railways aren't the backbone of our logistics network already, or that they do not move substantial numbers of people in many corridors. Just because rail advocates are intensely annoying and overly optimistic doesn't mean that they're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMundi Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program Running out of Oil? Worked in that industry a long time. Plenty of it left if you are willing to dig a hole. As for Global Warming. Don't Even get me started. Rail, in this country, as a transporter of Humans, is an Insane Money Suck, that requires immense government funded subsidization The Price of a Ticket does not cover the expense to move your butt. For example. They want to put in, a Car Speed rail system to link Milwaukee, with the Dane County Airport. Here's some Issues. It only has two places in town, both a half Mile Drive to get to, to Get On the train. It only goes to the Dane County Airport. New Rail needs to be laid. Costing Millions. New Trains have ALREADY, been bought, Not from the Milwaukee based company that Builds trains, but from a no compete no Bid company in SPAIN, that donated some money to certain political people. A ticket, is between 40 and 60 bucks. One way. By the way, that ticket cost, covers less then 9% of the cost of the transport, of one Human this way. The rest of the cost comes from Subsidized TAX money. It costs, in a car that gets 22 miles to the gallon, 8 dollars, Round Trip, to make the same distance from the closets train depot this thing will leave from. Now, baring the other expenses, like having to shell out for a cab to get back into Madison after you get off the train, hoping your car is in one piece when you get back, and all of that sort of thing, WHY, do I have to tolerate an 890 MILLION dollar Tax Suck, out of an 8.9 BILLION dollar Tax Suck, for a Stupid Train, that goes out to an Airport, in an Area, no one goes to? Not to mention, No one Uses. Do people take trains, Yes. Have we had a Passenger Train system in this country since 1950, that was cost effective with Cost vs Income? NO. Railway isn't even the backbone of our Commerce logistics anymore and hasn't been since about 1968. Semi Trucks, and Airplanes. I come out of a Rail family, Rail's been dead, a long long long time, it's just a giant festering zombie intent on eating more tax money. ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program Freight rail appears to be making a bit of a comeback, especially on routes that bypass heavily congested trucking routes (like from Savannah GA through Atlanta GA to... well, anywhere but the far East Coast up or down I-95). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program Cargo rail is financially solvent and successful. What does this have to do with the Constellation Program? I'm sad to see the future moon mission push scrapped, but not sad to see the rehash of Apollo, based on disposable capsules, dumped like the sack of crap it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMundi Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program Freight Rail rocks. Especially with the Hybrid systems. Getting rid of the liberal pet project Light Rail and car speed rail though would free up money to get us something better then an Apollo Rehash, and to be fair to the Constellation Program, Quite a lot of it, is reusable in various fashions, and best of all, it was a slight step forward program with multiple uses, that was Off the Shelf, hence, cheaper in the long run. Folks can bemoan the rehash but Apollo Worked and if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Besides, if you aren't going to even attempt things that would work BETTER, you have to either Do Nothing, or build on what has worked before. Our guy chose do nothing, but what the Hey, I'm getting a Train I can use to go to a podunk puddle jumper airport, for 14 times what it would cost me to drive there, and I'm sure the Chinese will be willing to share the moon when we finally decide to do something right? I mean, those guys are the nicest "Can't We All get along?" humanitarians on the face of the planet. At least until they get a hold of a copy of the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. ~Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Re: Good bye Constellation Program Freight Rail rocks. Especially with the Hybrid systems. Getting rid of the liberal pet project Light Rail and car speed rail though would free up money to get us something better then an Apollo Rehash, and to be fair to the Constellation Program, Quite a lot of it, is reusable in various fashions, and best of all, it was a slight step forward program with multiple uses, that was Off the Shelf, hence, cheaper in the long run. Folks can bemoan the rehash but Apollo Worked and if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Besides, if you aren't going to even attempt things that would work BETTER, you have to either Do Nothing, or build on what has worked before. Our guy chose do nothing, but what the Hey, I'm getting a Train I can use to go to a podunk puddle jumper airport, for 14 times what it would cost me to drive there, and I'm sure the Chinese will be willing to share the moon when we finally decide to do something right? I mean, those guys are the nicest "Can't We All get along?" humanitarians on the face of the planet. At least until they get a hold of a copy of the Moon is a Harsh Mistress. If you really want to discuss politics this badly, and cram political side comments into every post on every subject, there's always the NGD board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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