MarPai Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I'm a 5th Edition addict (I'm working on getting ALL the books) And I have some players who want to make characters using the 3rd edition Robot Warriors. I know someone wrote out how to convert it to 5th edition and I would love to save myself all the work. I tried to find the guy's site using the Wayback Machine, but Comcast apparently forbids stuff like that (WOW, Cruel). If someone knows where I can find it or if the author is willing to sent me a copy I would be very Greatful. And once me and the group get tired of 5th we'll probably start playing 6th (But by that time 7th should be out) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Fortunately, the guy is still around. Here ya go! PS: Please forgive any formatting issues. I originally wrote it in hand-coded HTML, and it's been through a lot over the years. I uploaded it to Google Docs as is and that's the result. One of these days I'll work on it some more and make it look nicer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantriped Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 That looks pretty Awesome (at least from my quick skimming)! I noticed at the end it has the following legal notice "The original material presented here is my own creation"... yet the document never defines who author is. If you wrote this, you should take credit for your good work and list yourself as the author! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 That looks pretty Awesome (at least from my quick skimming)! I noticed at the end it has the following legal notice "The original material presented here is my own creation"... yet the document never defines who author is. If you wrote this, you should take credit for your good work and list yourself as the author! D'oh! You are right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Stanfield Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Have you thought of converting this to 6E? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Have you thought of converting this to 6E? I have. I'm actually updating the document for conversion to 4th, 5th, or 6th editions; especially between 4th and 5th everything is similar enough, and I can easily call out the major differences between the editions where applicable. Edit to add: my main focus is going to be in using Robot Warriors writeups as is, with little to no changes, under the later rules. That will be a good bit more difficult for 6e, as the major change between 4th/5th and 6th is in DEX, SPD, OCV and DCV, but not impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarPai Posted May 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2017 Thank you very much. I saved it as a PDF and a print out. I'm also going to copy it into my Open Office and if you like I don't mind doing editing work. (20 years of doig that suff for the company I worked for) I'll just consider it a way to pay you back for all your hard work. to make your document into a format that might be easier to edit. you like Word, Open Document, or what for it to be saved and sent to you as? Old Data Entry/database management specialist. I really should teach myself SQL I get bored not working. But give me the word and I'll edit this pretty for you. Like I said it's my hobby. Yes I know, I'm a weird old lady. Working up to crazy role playing old Cat lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Thanks for the offer! If you want to edit it for your own use feel free, and even send me a copy if you want; I'll take Open Office, but I do most of my gaming documents on Google Docs anymore just because it's accessible from all over the place. I'm actually ripping it apart, rearranging it, and rewriting portions of it, all another Google document so as not to break the other one; it's here, if you're curious, but be aware that it's a construction zone and things could disappear or move without warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantriped Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Congratulations, you might've just made Hero Games a little money. Now that I know somebody is working on a conversion for 6th edition, I'm putting Robot Warriors on my wish list for my next round of orders (which it is likely to be prioritized for since I don't have to consider shipping on PDFs). As a suggestion, since the update to 6th will at the very least invalidate the costs of certain game elements, and possibly require partial rebuilds; you could include in an Appendix the Robot Warriors To 6th Edition pseudo-errata. For example: If Characteristics values for a robot are the same except for their costs, you could just note the new value for "Characteristics Cost" for that entry... If a power needed to be replaced, such as Entangle to create Wall with Barrier, you would describe the new power, list its cost, and then list the new value for "Powers Cost". I would organize them in a Template-like format so that you don't have to reproduce whole sections of the book (and risk infringement in the process). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 The new version (found in the later link that I posted above, and now in my signature below) is now suitable for human consumption, more or less, and contains no text from Robot Warriors (nor has it ever ). It's usable with 4th, 5th, or 6th editions, and consists of four parts: conversion of original Robot Warriors characters, using Robot Warriors robot writeups with few to no changes in later editions, building new robots using Robot Warriors rules but taking advantage of innovations in later editions, and converting Robot Warriors robot writeups to newer editions Vehicle Rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantriped Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 You should make a thread over in Star Hero to shamelessly plug your efforts. You might even consider posting this to the Downloads section so that years from now, when these threads are lost, the document itself can still easily be found and enjoyed by the community. You can still update submissions to the Downloads section if necessary, and I've done so several times myself. Skimming the new document I have some formatting/editing notes: Since this is primarily for digital consumption, you can push the margins all the way out to 0.25". This will save you a lot more page space than you'd expect, and such documents can still be printed without clipping. You might also be able to save some page space using Columns, but they are more print-friendly than screen-friendly so that is just a matter of taste, Also, a little bit of white space isn't a sin, so you might consider putting in some extra line breaks to remove the orphan and widow paragraphs; they are something of a soap box for me, but I'll spare you the diatribe. However, there are lots of examples of them; such as: The last sentence of the third paragraph of Introduction on page 3 spills over onto page 4. The words "Penetration Table" spill over from the second paragraph of Weapons on page 6 unto page 7. The section Penetration Table only gets one sentence into itself on page 7 before spilling over to page 8. Sensors begins on page 10, but all of its text is on page 11. The same is true of Endurance Reserve (Optional) on page 12. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 That's some nice work, Chris. Well done! And, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 I think I have reduced the incidence of widows and orphans. If not perfect, at least it's better now than it was. Still to do: Complete writeups for Damage Control, Martial Arts, and Escape Pod, for Vehicle rules conversions. For Martial Arts, I want to write up the Basic and Advanced styles from Robot Warriors using the current rules, which -- for costs, at least -- haven't changed much if at all since 4th edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Chris I remember correctly though some of the martial maneuvers will have to use custom design rules to build them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Chris I remember correctly though some of the martial maneuvers will have to use custom design rules to build them. Right; the Combination and Block/Strike maneuvers were pretty explicitly done away with in 4th edition and beyond. The new styles will be close-but-not-identical with their Robot Warriors counterparts, and will be an exception to the "character should be able to do everything after conversion they could do before" rule. The APG suggests potentially allowing this with Multiple Attack, which may be an option, but I won't call it out specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Or Chris as a triggered attack too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Yes I know, I'm a weird old lady. Knew there was something I liked about you. Lucius Alexander Crazy old palindromedary man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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