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I have noticed there are plans for a Galactic Champions sourcebook, and their are tentative plans for sourcebooks dealing with the teen, golden and silver age sub genres as well. I was just wondering are their any plans for a sourcebook dealing with the mutant genre as per the modern marvel universe. We already have have some over spill such as the Minutemen robots and the institute for human advancement. We also have quite a few solo mutant villains and heroes running around. I cannot remember however any X-Men type group being mentioned thus far. are there plans for these type of characters or will the mutant problem be kept "light" and not dominate too much as it seems to in the modern marvel universe? rgds Dean

Sentinel is a good option, but his name clashes with one of the biggest hero teams in the new CU. However, he is a cool character that I like, but in another thread someone mentioned a character called Vanguard who pops up as a referance in the CU book who might just be the guy we are looking for. Any chance Darren could tell us a little bit about this guy? and if he will eventually be covered in DH or a silver age book? thks in advance Dean

I think you misunderstood me, I did not mean I wanted more Eevil organisations fleshed out, justt that they were what has already been announced on the schedule. I meant fleshed out in other ways, places, people, more villains, more city books, hero teams, settings like other continents, dimensions, other parts of space etc. rgds Dean

I had stopped picking up the title before then. It does sound like they ruined the concept which made it unique for me. But I still think the idea of a groups of well known villains attempting to go straight and gain acceptance from the heroic community is a great team concept. rgds Dean

I would also love to see an update book, further down the line. Mike's suggestions all seem great. rgds Dean

Yes the Lizard/Mam-Bat type is an exact fit for Dragonfly and Champions used to have a few of these types which have yet to show up in the new CU (Wyvern and the Griffon also come to mind). A Superman type for me anyway needs to VERY strong and tough, at least 70+ strength. Mixed in with some slightly weaker energy projector powers and good movement. Most importantly is his personality, which has to be very heroic. rgds Dean

Although I would not mind modules (and E-Books are the way to go I think) I would love to see the CU universe fleshed out a lot more, we are already seeing this with Viper soon to be and UNTIL and Demon on the schedule. My question to Steve and Darren is this, will we continue to see the official CU fleshed out over the years? In what directions do you wish to take this? I myself would much prefer to see this than a stream of modules. rgds Dean

Formar villains going straight - Thunderbolts Villains secretly working for goverment - Suicide Squad Growth Brick - Giant-Man, Goliath. just off the top of my head. rgds Dean

Starburst always felt more like someone like Firestorm to me. He is too much of an energy projector and not enough of a brick to be the CU Superman. Talking about old characters I would love to see Dragonfly back in print. While i suspect he may have been replaced by the villain Hornet, there is still room for him if you make him a ravenous insect with the intelligence of a animal, with only food on his mind, and that food is you! (thoughts of the fly movie come to mind). rgds Dean

Well I have to say I agree with those that have said the 5th edition CU is SO much better than what went before. Everytime I pick up CKC and browse over a villain I marvel at all the little connections the guys have put between the characters, the level of detail and (i think) the amazing layout of each character. Now it might not be in colour but you get background, personality, tactics, appearance and campaign options. Compare that to SAS in which you get a very basic write up of the character and a colour picture. I know which I would prefer. SAS has some good characters (Pan and Belle, Bloody Mary, Alice Queen of Hearts, Sentinel and others), I could not comment on Freedom City yet as I have yet to pick it up. But, I was not impressed with the sample characters in M&M. I was browsing over the old 4th ediiton CU the other day and although Monte Cook did a fine job, pulling it together into some kind of reasonable setting, it really pales into insignificanse compared to the new version. As many have said before the new CU benefits tremendously from have a couple of people in overall control, so the focus of the universe is tight and does not have any ill fitting elements as did the old CU, which was written to try to make a universe from 30+ supplements from many different authors. As to the adventure topic, I am more than happy to pick up adventures in an e-format if that allows the company to put them out in a profitable manner, but I am ecstatic with the adventure seeds given with each character, they are perfect for setting off my imagination without tying me down into a structured plot and they also (again) tie the universe and characters together in interesting and fun ways. They are without doubt one of the best new elements of the new champions line. rgds Dean

Does anyone know if there is any particular reason why the original villainous Zodiac team will not be making a 5th edition update into the new CU? Are there other plans for them? does the company not have the rights to the characters? or is it just simply that Steve does not like them? Personally, it would be a real shame if they failed to make it back further down the line, they were amazing characters and easily knocked spots off the original marvel universe Zodiac teams in flavour, originality and powers matching their sign. Anyone have any answers? rgds Dean

I think making the Superman type non american based would not feel right to me, although obviously of alien origin, he has always felt very american to me, most likely due to his traditional values and costume colours. Although I would not mind if the powers that be set up more than one Supes type character so they could be rivals, so we could have a Superman/Captain Marvel thing going on. I think with Kelvarite being present in the CU, that the stage is just set for a great Superman tribute with maybe his rival hero being more magically inclined (and maybe from europe). If they also connected their power sets in some way so they were both vulnerable to the other, it would be great. It would also be cool if they eventually introduced a extended super family for one of the characters (supergirl, Superboy, Mary Marvel, Cap Marvel Jr.). We already have some Superman rogues gallery present (Franklin stone springs instantly to mind). rgds Dean

Yes, Captain Patriot does feel like a golden age hybrid of Cap and Supes, although he would be much too low in power level for my taste to represent the modern version of Superman. Again like yourself I have on idea which hero this would be if any from the info thus far provided. Th All American feels like the modern cap to me, while others that spring to mind would be Meteor Man 3, being the clear Green Lantern type. I especially like the legacy involved with the character, it was a nice touch. Others would be the Fab Five equalling the Fantastic Four, and Nighthawk being Batman, although i would like to see him powered up if that were the case, hmm maybe he more represents Nightwing and we have yet to see an older more experianced scarey Batman type, maybe when Dark Champions comes out? anyone else have any guesses? this is turning out to be fun! rgds Dean

While we are on the subject of iconic heroes, who do you think the Spider-Man type of the CU is or was? From the little we know from the information given so far I think the teenage hero the Hornet (not the modern villain) best fits the role. hopefuuly we will eventually see him in all his glory in DH. anyone else? rgds Dean

What about the Protectors? If we are talking about past champions hero teams to get updated for 5th my vote has to go to the Protectors from "To Serve and Protect". They were easily my favourite NPC hero team (even above the characters in Stike Force and that is priase indeed). I seem to remember there were other threads talking about them recently? So what are the chances of us seeing them updated? anyone want to speculate? Regarding the Allies supplement he teams I would like to see make a comeback were Executive Sanction, The Redeemed, and the Cyberknights. More for the fact that the CU needs those team "types" than keeping individual memebers intact. rgds Dean

Team books much like the old organisation books and the upcoming versions of viper and UNTIL would be cool. As previously said you could go through the various membership roster changes of a team like the Sentinels for example then give their rogues gallery in all it's glory. Finish of with a more detailed history and plot seeds and it would be a nice product. You could do the same for the solo lone wolf heroes. that reminds me of a small gripe about the Champions. For a suposedly new team on the block why are they mentioned as hunters for so many villains? If would be nice to spread this around the existing hero teams a lot more, so we have a better idea which villains are part of which teams rogues gallery, at the moment it looks like the Champions take on everybody and all the others sit at home watching tv! A more distinct team and villain pattern would be better as we have in the comics with Kang & Ultron hunted by The Avengers, Dr. Doom hunted by the FF, Magneto by the X-Men and so on. Sorry to go on about it but it makes the CU seem smaller and less realistic somehow. rgds Dean

While region books might be the way to go, I would have liked to see a real CKC treatment for the iconic heroes of the champions universe. As we got the main master villains and teams in the CKC, it would be nice to see the iconic heroes who define the universe. these would be the guys with their own long running comic books and the popular hero teams of the CU. With most campaigns going with the 350 point limit, there is a lot of scope for the more established powerful heroes to be used again and again in a campaign. But if each hero comes with a villain option, we have the best of both worlds. rgds Dean

Surely not all products with a large percentage of heroes have been poor sellers? both "To Serve and Protect" and "V.O.I.C.E" had whole npc hero teams included and are pretty fondly regarded adventures and characters. Lets not forget the mythical "Strike Force" campaign book which had a very large number of heroes detailed, so I think it depends on the product. Green Ronin's "Freedom City" has many heroes I have heard (not bought it yet) and is supposedly seling very well. I jus tthink depending on the execution "hero" books could be very popular. rgds Dean

I was wondering if there is going to be a book for heroes along the same lines as CKC or will they be expanded on only in Digital Hero, as they have been so far. Myself, I would love to see a book like this as I feel Champions in the past has never matched it's fnatastic villains with equally intresting and powerful heroes, so we have been left with half a universe in effect. for example we have our Ulton type but no Hank Pym. We have our Joker but no Batman, We have our Dr. Doom but no FF, etc, etc. Know i know this has got a lot beter with 5th edition as many more heroes are being both written up for use and mentioned. I was just wondering what the plans (if any) are on this as I could certainly use the knowledge of who the best of the best are and were during the different times. I would like eventually powerful and popular heroes for all the classic "types". It would be very easy to change individuals if they strayed too close to PC heroes, so avoid any toe treading. anyone else curious about this? Who is the champions universe equivelent of Superman? Wonder Woman? Aquaman? Captain America? Thor? Spider-Man? rgds Dean

Ok, have taken out the FTL flight. any other thoughts good, bad or indifferent? rgds Dean

Yep, great point, thks very much. I have costed his JLA membership at 6 points. Does that sound about right? rgds Dean

Hi Guys, I am starting a new champions campaign soon using a mixed DC/Marvel universe using the Heroclix minatures. the first character I am attempting to model is Superman. To give you a little background, I am going for the modern version of Supes as per recent JLA issues. He will start at the top end of the power scale with STR 100 (the same as my universe Thor and starting Hulk before getting mad). His Dex is 35 (very high for my universe but characters such as Beast, Nightcrawler and Spidey will have dex from 40 to 50). I am not concerned in fitting any character into a point value, I want detailed write ups as true to the character as possible, so there point totals are irrelevant. I have used the Superman's posted at The Great book of real heroes site extensively in the following wrie up especially Sam Bell's and Micheal Santorineos. pls feel free to give as much comment good or bad as possible, I have not run champions 5th before and have not run 4th edition for a long time so may well be very rusty on some rules. Here he is Superman (Clark Kent) CHARACTERISTICS STR 100 (90) DEX 35 (75) CON 80 (140) BOD 60 (100) INT 16 (6) EGO 22 (24) PRE 100 (90) COM 35 (13) PD 45 (25) ED 35 (19) SPD 8 (35) REC 36 (0) END 250 (45) STUN 150 (0) SKILLS, PERKS, TALENTS Cost Name Roll 3 Analyze 12 3 Bureaucratics 29 20 2 Overall Combat Lvls 3 Computer Pgoramming 12 3 Conversation 29 3 Deduction 12 5 Disguise 13 5 Knowledge - Metropolis 14 2 Knowledge - Super Criminals 11 3 Oratory 29 3 Power Strength 29 6 Proffesional - Reporter 15 3 Systems Operation 12 3 Teamwork - JLA 15 2 Navigation 12 3 Paramedic 12 5 Area Knowledge - Metropolis 14 3 Knowledge - Literature 12 20 Universal Translator 4 Area Knowledge - Smallville 13 3 Knowledge - Krypton 12 5 Contact - Perry White 11 4 Contact - Emil Hamilton 8 6 Contact - Guardian 8 5 Contact - Gangbuster 8 24 Contact - JLA 11 6 Contact - Batman 8 6 Contact - Wonder Woman 8 6 Contact - Supergirl 8 6 Contact - Superboy 8 24 Contact - White House 8 4 Contact - Bibbo 8 24 Contact - Metropolis SCU 8 POWERS Cost, Name, End. 64 Heat Vision - 12d6 Energy Blast Armor Piercing, No Knockback (13) 80 Movement Multipower (80 pt reserve) Ultra 9 1. Flight - Flight 40 usable under water U (18) 18 2. Space Flight - Faster Than Light Travel 4 Light years U (2 5 3. Super Running - Running 31 U (10) 180 Super Breath Multipower (180 pt reserve) Ultra 12 1. Air Blast - 12d6 Energy Blast Area Effect 27 Thin Cone X2 Knockback, Does no Damage (24) 11 2. Ice Blast - 6d6 Entangle (Ice) Area Effect 27 Thin Cone Vulnerable to Fire & Heat (22) 40 Impossible to Kill - Damage Resistance 45PD 35ED 45 Life Support - Life Support (total) 42 Super Senses - Infared Perception, Microscopic Vision Sight X10, N Ray Vision (Not Vs Lead), +8 Perception all groups 20 Hard To Move - Knocback Resistance -10 15 Lack of Weakness - Lack of Weakness -15 (PD/ED) 7 Instant Change - Cosmetic Transform 2d6 Clothes to Costume. 6 Flash Defense - Flash Defense 6 DISADVANTAGES Cost, Disadvantage, Roll 10 DNPC - Lois Lane 14 5 DNPC - Jimmy Olsen 11 20 Dedicated to Truth & Justice 25 Code Vs. Killing 5 Rivalry with Lois (Proff) 15 Secret Identity (Clark Kent) 30 Susceptibility - Kryptonite 3d6 per segment 5 Watched by Perry White 8 15 Overconfident 30 Vulnerability X2 Magic 5 DNPC - Ma & Pa Kent 8 5 DNPC - Lana Lang 8 5 Hunted Braniac 13 8 5 Hunted Parasite 8 5 Hunted Cyborg 8 5 Hunted Metallo 8 5 Hunted Darkseid 8 5 Hunted Doomsday 8 5 Hunted Mr. Mxyzptlk 8 10 Hunted Lex Luthor 11 10 Hunted by enemies of JLA 8 20 Protective of Innocents 20 Vulnerability X1.5 Sonics 20 Vulnerability X2 Kryptonite There you go, he chugs in at 1424 points. A couple of other notes, I have changed the teamwork skill slightly for my campaign in that it only works for teams or heroes you have worked with extensively in the past or currently. I will be leaving recovery alone unless someone has a actual healing or regeneration power as I do not want combat any longer than it currently will be. the smae applies to stun in most cases. I have given characters a rich lsit of contacts and hunted's as I want the characters to reflect their long comic histories as much as possible and this gets over to the players the campaign has a rich background and past and interacts without their presence. tell me what you think Dean