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Re: Vehicle DCV... I had no idea

Hrm.

 

I must still be thinking in obsolete terms. When attacking people with levels of Growth, masses of people, or large structures, there once upon a time was a way to calculate how much you missed by and in what direction.

 

Made Growth suck very muchly.

 

While the new rule makes more mechanical sense.. I suppose.. it does seem to fly in the face of the good ol' "well, where _did_ it land?" question.

Yeah, maybe it was decided it made it too easy to hit called shots, or from ridiculous distances, etc.

Not sure why it got changed. I'm sure there was a theory at work there, tho.

Re: Vehicle DCV... I had no idea

I'm not saying it's not important either. (Ah, a use for the double negative.)

But it looks like we're going to have to part company on this one.

And for what it's worth, after 30 years of playing Hero System games in all sorts of settings, I'm still waiting for a GM to giving me the "your Attack hits automatically" action.

Re: Starting a new game

The main thing for me is how easy it is to try out a bunch of builds for a power quickly. Also, it opens up the world of character packs where you get loads of pre-built stuff to play with. You can tweak it, or just run with it.

Time is everything, why not save it when you can? It's not like HD is expensive...

Clearly it works for a lot of people...

Re: What rule don't people know?

I can't tell you how many characters our group designed based on this rule. It makes for very funky bricks.

 

This stopped when the GM finally had enough and started using five-shot autofire (+1/2).

Nice...

Re: Vehicle DCV... I had no idea

Somewhere under Dramatic & Common Sense.

Yes, that's always the bailout. It's a question of whether it's a weird mechanic or not. Are you saying you don't think it's odd looked at objectively?

Or are you just really used to it?

Re: Vehicle DCV... I had no idea

Remember ... a miss doesn't always mean A Miss.

 

You could have still hit the aircraft carrier, because it's very hard to miss a half mile long object, especially if stationary. You just suck so badly your attack grazed the deck and left a scorch mark. . .

Even if you're standing (or floating along) next to it?

Re: Vehicle DCV... I had no idea

Aiming generally at a Hex is harder than aiming generally at an object larger than a Hex... Panel Vans and Aircraft Carriers occupy multiple hexes.

 

So yes, the DCV is lower for aiming generally at an object twenty feet long vs an object ten feet long.

Well, I agree that that makes sense, but where can I find that in the rules? It's weird that a carrier isn't easier to hit than a mooky panel van.

Looks like stuff just stops at DCV 0.

Re: Vehicle DCV... I had no idea

Here's the dealie: Called Shot.

 

That way, if you miss the vital component in the central hex of the Aircraft Carrier, your shot still lands random inches away in random direction.. which is likely to be an even more vital component near the central hex of the Aircraft Carrier.

Hrmmm.

I'm not finding that in the rules anywhere.

I looked up the Called Shoot/Placed Shot mechanics:

5ER pg. 415

On attacking with a placed shoot "... if he misses, the attack misses altogether."

Now logic would dictate that it would be hard to miss our aircraft carrier above... but logic would also seem to dictate that this situation would be covered with an actual rule somewhere...

But where?

Re: Vehicle DCV... I had no idea

There's an official way to handle scattering of a non-AOE attack?

I'm all ears. Well, I'm probably less than 1% ears, but c'mon, it's a metaphor!

Re: What rule don't people know?

Got a new one...

unless someone posted it above.

DCV can only be halved once.

I've had that argument many a time and oft.

Hey Gang,

I'm going through the Vehicles rules with ye olde fine tooth comb because I'm running a "super agent" game.

I ran across the following:

5ER, pg. 472

"The vehicles Size and other modifiers affect its DCV, but it can never fall below 0 DCV."

I'd highlighted this in my copy some time ago, but clearly I'd forgotten it. It strikes me that this has some amusing implications. Your crappy old panel truck and an aircraft carrier could both end up having a DCV of 0.

Re: WWI Battleship

I have the entire German High Seas fleet in 1:2400 scale miniature (capital ships at least). One of my old gaming groups used to play a lot of historical naval miniatures. I also have the whole British WWI fleet. Every US dreadnought from South Carolina onward (WWI and WWII). A good selection of the Imperial Japanese Navy for WWII. The whole Austro-Hungarian fleet. Lots of Pre-dreadnoughts for all four fleets as well.

 

Its good to see someone besides me still likes the battleships from the zenith of their age.

Dang!

Sounds like RJB should come over to your house for a game Big Ed.

Re: Malloy Syndrome

Cool idea, cool discussion...

Got to get On Stranger Tides for my Pops. (He doesn't just read stuff like that, he consumes it.)

Re: WWI Battleship

Cool.

Always very interested to see things like this. As fate would have it, I'm reading the Water Vehicles section of TUV right now.

Quick design question: I notice the SPD 1, but a x8 NCM. Is there a reason you didn't go with a slightly higher Speed and lower NCM?

Also, if it's SPD 1, does that mean the guns can only fire once per turn? I can't remember if a vehicle's speed governs it's weapon fire or not.

Re: Latest info regarding Tunguska

Are these the "fossil record is a lie put their by the devil" sort of co-religionists you're talking about?

Re: Latest info regarding Tunguska

We did have a character named Chicxulub in a game.

Nice... had to look it up, but very cool.

Literal translation from the original Maya: "tail of the Devil."

Re: Latest info regarding Tunguska

A local City of Heroes player called her character "Tunguska Event."

 

I shudder to think of what the character could do if written up based just on the name.

Might as well rename that character Megascale.

Re: Starting a new game

I told ya so!

Re: Starting a new game

I also recommend HeroDesigner.

 

I also predict that your prediction will be true.

Re: Starting a new game

I predict Thia will also recommend HeroDesigner

Re: Starting a new game

As for GMing...

Keep it simple. (DC is a great place to start because it usually doesn't get into a lot of weird power builds.)

Just wing it with a 3d6 roll if you can't remember a specific rule... you can look it up later.

Take it easy on yourself. GMing can be a tricky thing to do well, but if you're having fun, your players will probably have fun.

Re: Starting a new game

Do yourself a favor and get the HeroDesigner program (available through the online store here on the site.) Takes all the sting out of the math... and allows you to build characters by trying out different approaches.

There's not a ton of math during gameplay, at least that isn't, you know, just adding and subtracting!

Re: Latest info regarding Tunguska

Yeah' date=' what's up with that? How long are we going to stay lucky?[/quote']

 

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Re: Post-apocalyptic wargaming terrain

Apparently the GM for the PA game I find myself in has a bunch of terrain, buildings, etc., and a garage in which to create quite a set-up, so I might end up posting some pics on the boards.

I doubt it will be as out of control as the stuff above though!

Re: Blogging on my PA Game

Alrighty...