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My official apologies to Ubwar. I diden't mean to insult you.

As for what is the "official" take on oriental vampiers, I beleve that, like there ocidental cousands, there is no real "true" vampier. There ARE lots of difrent stories in which thay all have simuler abilities, thoe. The most simuler is the drinking of blood, but even that is questioned. It is more likely that a Vampier can be defined as "Any undead / evil spirit creacher which 'eats' the life force / blood / chi / breath of the living".

My question is: Mike, are you going to follow the Hero System Beastery path, and print only non-intelegent and semi-intelegent beast? That can be problmatic, for even in legions, even the most lowly monster can comunicate with humans.

Hear is a short list of sourses for you to try.

1) Orental Adventers (TSR, for Dungions And Dragons 3rd Edition): Great beastery in the back of the book.

2) Monsters Of Rokugen (Again, for DND 3erd): Another beastery, this time focusing more on the world of Legions Of The Five Rings.

3) Legions Of The Five Rings: Prehaps the most compleat RPG about fanticy Japan ever.

4) Sandman: The Dream Hunters (DC): A reteling of the clasic story The Monk, The Fox, And The Mikido Of All Night's Dreaming. Excelent artwork by the ilistrator of Vampier Hunter D novals.

5) Yu Yu Hisneko (Shoen Jump, and Cartoon Network's Tusnami block): Again, a difrent take on Japanies Myth, in the moderen day.

6) 3X3 Eyes (Dark Horse): This time, it is hindu myth.

7) Blue Seed (AD Visions): A look at the legion of the Yamato No Orichi, and it's relationship with monsters all over Japan.

8) Oger Slayer (Viz): Oni take the spotlight in this one.

9) The Mermaid Saga (Viz): The oriental mermaids (Nihgo?) are featured in this one.

10) Princess Monomoko (Beur Vista): Prehaps the best look at Monomoko ("spirit of things", a type of Kami) which we westerners will EVER see.

Of course, this list is nowhere complete. And, chances are, Susano has seen most (if not all) of the items on the list before. Anyone else want to add something to it?

Originally posted by Susano

As I said, I'll be including write-ups for anything and everything I can get a decent amount of information on. Nothing is too big or too small to be included in the book.

Nice to see our anime god Susano on the job. Good boy. Hears a Pockey .

This reminds me of one of the villians I am developing. His name is Mister Wicked, and, yes, he looks like the sterotypical bad melodrama villian. Acts like one also (to a point).

Big question is, what can I do with him besides kidnap female DNPCs, burning down orphenages, and forclosing morgeges?

Eveyone can use Martial Arts. Heck, eveyone HAS used Martial Arts in a campain. This does include a caveman campain ("Klubba-Fu").

I always thought Dennes Mahonie's pet supervillian The Unstopable Creep was a Jugernaught clone. Of course, I never seen a writup of him.

What I can proably think up was that he was basicly a guy with normal base stats with lots of defensive powers. A 50 PD, 50 ED Armor, -25 Knockback Resistance, 50 Mental Defences, -25 Lack Of Weakness, ect. Of course, all double Hardened (+1). Mabie even some Damage Reduction also.

So, how could he be stoped? Well, he can't be harmed, but he STILL only has a Speed of 2 and a Strength of 10. And no offensive powers at all. So, if the heros ignore him...

Uebwar asked, if it dosen't hop, then what's the point. Well, some oriental vampiers don't hop. Some float around in the air, and can never touch the ground at all.

And I remember other monsters.

Will we see the Yamato No Oricih, the infamous 8 headed giant snake which your screen name namesake killed in legends? How about lesser Orichi?

There is also a japanies monster/demon of war called Ashura, which also never touches the ground (if what I read is true).

Oh, and Susano, while you proably don't NEED my permition to do so, I give you the permition to mention, as an option to the Tengu, the Tengu Ryu Kenjustu. Or, at least, mention it.

There are a few beast of intrest to me.

1) The Baku, also known as Dream Eaters. I asume that thay "eat" dreams via Transformation (prehaps a major one, since thay only "eat" one night of dreams, not take your dreams away forever).

2) Anything on Youma? Great sourse for them is the anime called Youma (better know to us in the US as Cures Of The Undead Youma, and another title). By the way, a flesh eating horse shows up in Youma. Oh, and who can forget the first seasion of Sailor Moon.

3) There was this lion headed eagle with a snake tail in the book Sandman: The Dream Hunters, but I can not remember the name of the beast. Anyone know?

4) And, finaly, there should be the Draconous Oriental, better known as the oriental Dragon.

Now the real fun begins. Make Foxbat and Doctor Destroyer (in his jazzy new armor).

Of course, you could always "wimp out" and make Menton (heck, all you need is an typical guy fig, and paint him so that he is wearing normal clothing...)

Hear is proably one most people don't think about when we say Social Limatation.

Homosexual (Infrenquently, Major) 10 points.

The above is for thoes who acualy want to keep there sexual idenities secret. The above can also repersent (with a littel renaming) thoes who are closeted pedophiles or closeted necrophiles.

As for the atraction to kids or corpses, that is a psycological limatation. I do not recomend a psychological limatation for Homosexual, since there are lots of funcunal homosexuals out there who do not have sex with eveyone of the same gender thay meet.

Diden't TSR, for a short time when thay had a comic book line which thay published, have a pulp-ish like advenger of the night named Agent 13, with a ring which would brand a "13" on his targets when he is done with them?

Yes, it *IS* making them say what thay do not know. Yugi/Yami Yugi knows Malrick (I think this is the right spelling, then again...) is speaking instead of the victom, but he still hears the victom's voice (We, through the magic of television, sometimes hears the victom's voice, and sometimes Malrick's, and sometimes the combo of both of them, depending on how the author wants to play this out). And, of course, this is ONLY because Malrick acualy tells Yugi when he is speaking through an 'agent/victom', and when he is not.

One thought...if the Quiet One is mute, how could Malrick speak through him? (Then again, I have no fact that the Quiet One was mute...only that he is some sort of goth mime).

I agree that, if the "victom" is willing, and the person doing it has Telepathy or/and Mind Control, then a Mind Link would only be needed (as what he did with "The Quiet One", a goth mime under his control, who was oddly talkitive when under his control). Bandet Kieth was defently a unwilling subject. Arcana was also sorta unwilling when he was taken over also (since he was bussy trying to find the key to unlock his legs before the buzzsaw would of cut them off at the time...).

I would guess Control +60 points (which makes the power of the MR verry thugly, except it has a limitation that the powers can not be used aganst anyone who also has a Milimuiem Item, which is why Malick dosen't just control Yugi's mind, or his sister Istara's). Plus he defently has Mind Scan, Clarvoiance (to see through his mind slaves senses), Telepathy (only to Talk and Receve), and Mential Illusions (as when he hid Arcana's key from him).

I was wondering, how many levels of Mind Control do I need to make a victom speak exactly what I want him to speak? I'm trying to simulate the Malick trick he does with the Milimumen Rod in Yu-Gi-Oh. The thing is, of course, only Yugi knows that the victom's words are acualy Malicks (well, except for the person Mind Controled by Malick, but most of his 'victoms' are loyal brain-washed servents, except for Bandet Keith, and he had to be brought back from the dead, acording to the manga...but I disgress).

In case your wondering (and this is going to be slightly off target), I always wanted to see a Champions side scroling video game fight fest (think FInal Fight, from Capcom, but with superheros). And that is the reason I put up that crack about a Champions Game Boy Advance game (Cause I realy don't think you CAN program a pure RPG into the Game Boy Advance. Especaly with all the bells and whistels the Hero System requiers.).

Originally posted by death tribble

Gargoyle from the cover of the early editions of Champions. We'll never see him but.

He dosen't count cause he is a hero (shure, he fought Flair, but that is filed under "misunderstanding").

To do the Dio Brando "JoJo's Bizzar Adventure" thing, buy Extra-Dimentinal Movement to "Stop Time" (a dimention which is just like the one you just left, except that no time passes, and eveyone and eveything is 'stuck' in place). To be able to manipulate the 'real' dimention when your in "Stop Time", just buy Transdimentinal on your powers.

Special Note on Stop Time: While your in Stop Time, time only flows for you, so yes, you DO age when your there. And "Stop Time" is not as unihabited as it seems. There are odd looking monsters who float into the air and are constently 'eating' time. I call them "Time Sharks" (Steven King called them Langalears).

Just treat "Stop Time" as another dimention, and you will be fine. Oh, and when you return to our dimention, you arive at the same moment you left, and this MIGHT just create a "paradox effect" (especaly if you can see yourself entering the "Stop Time").

Just my $.02 worth.

Wow...good writup. Of course, with the new direction, he could be reintroduced via Digital Hero into the new CHampions Universe.

Of course, since I came into Champions via the BBB, I realy never owned Enimies 3, let alone seen a copy. So, could you be a dear and give me the 411 on his past between the original transformation, and his rebirth as Stone?

And is Spectra another supervillian? Intresting...married supervillians always fasinate me.

Originally posted by Hermit

It wasn't 'bad' but I have to say, "Pyramid in the Sky" just left me cold. Didn't do a thing for me.

 

(Does this supplement make me look fat?)

 

And yes, asking a group of players to 'save' the NKOB is really cruel. I had one guy ask if he could spend five points and buy his character's "Total Code VS Killing" down so it allowed for "a few exceptions".

I beleve "Pyramid in the Sky" was, basicly, trying to tie in three unrelated adventurs so that thay could have an excuse to publish one book. And some of the pages are duplicates. Nice try, but next time, try about three or four seprate adventurs in one book if your going to bundle them.

Defently, there are a few legiodary villians I have herd about, but have never spoted a writup on. Holocost was one of them. With this, my hopes have been tingled. Will we ever see:

1) The Lavender Fog: Homosexual master villian/mutant who is able to transform himself into a cloud of lavender mist. Can also generate a lavender mist (Darkness). Basicly an openly gay, flamboyant type. Quote: "Tie him to the Pleaser Bar, Brutus."

2) Blond Bombshell: A martial artist girl who can explode. Forcently, later writups are said to include Desolification linked to the explosion (or is that personal imunity?). Proably will never see one, because of who created her (hint: Heroic Publishing).

Are there any legondary villians you have herd of, but never sceen a write up on.

Re: Definitely

Originally posted by Tugun Master

I agree. Marvel Comics don't deserve a Champions Universe line in my opinion.

 

DC Comics (& Image, which DC Comics owns now, yes?) would do a good job on the Champions Mythos. Esp if you could get the likes of Grant Morrison or Pat Mills in on the storyline, and maybe get a good artist on the job.

 

The only thing is, would there be another conflict of who owns the rights to what character fiasco like with Dennis Mallonee's original Champions run?

Image is not owned by DC Comics. Wildstorm is now owned by DC, but WAS an Image Comics imprint. Just like Top Cow is an Image Comics imprint. Basicly, the imprints are indipendently owned by certan creators, and Image acts like some sort of broker or something.

And as for the conflict of 'who owns what charater' for the new, non-existant comic...would be Hero Games/DOJ Inc. Why? Because, simply, thay own all the charaters used. How? Because DOJ Inc will tell them which charaters thay can use, and which charaters thay can not use. Chances are, there will be no stats in the back of the book, or anything like that.

Then again, this so called "comic book" will be as likely to happen as a Champions Game Boy video game. It sounds good, but the Magic 8-Ball says "Keep Dreaming, Fanboy".

ISE: Internatinal Science Eleat, a group of crinimal scientist types which design weapions and other super-tech devices for the crinimal underworld. Dr. Kerby Loo may be a menber. (Group dosen't realy exist in CHampions 5th, and was proably replaced by ARGAT).

RAVIN: Unknown...proably not a true acronim. My guess is the Royal Arcave of Villians INternatinal (but that IS my guess).

Talen: Another agent group I am creating (look for it in an e-Enimies book). It has no acronim (Unless you think up one sutibul for an orginzation secretly ruled by an alien force who wants to strip the Earth of all it's resorces, using humans to do so. I based this group loosly on Galactor, from Gatchman).

Genocide: Another not an acronim. Replaced by IHA.

IHA: Insitute for Human Advancment.

Originally posted by Starcorp Man

Gargoyle was Mark William's character, and the reason why he wasn't in the Champion comicbooks.

 

check this site http://www.heroicpub.com/

And another reasion why Hero Games is NOT going to do any writups of the Guardians is because of Dennes Mahony. Because he basicly said "I can do theas charaters better than Hero Games can." Did you notice that MOST of the Guardians are now renamed? Marksman is now Huntsman. Rose is now Psychee. Ect... Have you wondered why? It is because the creators of thoes charaters withdrew the charaters and sacked Mr. Mahony with a 'ceast and dismiss' order. So, in order to keep using the charaters, thay had to be renamed. With the exception of Foxbat, which went swimming in Jusinkyo to become The Flying Fox.

This is not to say I hated the comics. On the contray, I extremly liked them. But let's face facts...there is a reasion why Heroic Publishing is no longer doing print comic books.

Now, I wish someone would do a new Champions series. DC or Image, prehaps? To avoid legal problems with Marvel (which ownes the name Champions for comic books), set it sorta like Astro City and call it Champions Universe. That way, we don't need to pin the comics to the Champions team exactly.

Originally posted by Monolith

There were no "stats" for the Guardians given in any of the previous editions. There was a much talked about Guardians Sourcebook, but it never saw the light of day. 4th Edition rules saw the appearance of The Champions.

 

I believe the early Guardians were as follows:

Dove

Flare

Icestar

Gargoyle

Goliath

Marksman

Rose

 

I remember someone mentioning something about a character called Hunter too, but I could be wrong there.

I beleve the reasion we will never see the 5th Edition stats of any of theas charaters is that Hero Games/DOJ Inc. dosen't own the charaters at all. Bruse Harlick owns Marksman (which is proably the reasion we got his stats when Bruse was head guy at Hero, durring the Fuzion Years), Glen Tharn owns Icestar, ect.

As for explnations...I can give a few vage explnations.

Dove: A man traped inside an alien suit of battel armor. Best knows for his force field and high Presence with the limitations Only For Attack, and Only To Look Heroic. Dove got lots of press and fan mail.

Flair: She is an energy projector (light), and one of four children made as a Nazie experment in the years after World War 2 (with Nazies hidding out in South America). One draw back to the prosses is that she starts to age faster than a normal human. Is proably around 60 years old today (if you think she was 10 when she joined the Guardians, and looked about 20).

Icestar: Heroic mutant energy projector (ice). Killed by Doctor Destroyer at the Battel Of Detrot. Known for his layed back manner, is a pratical joker and a ladys man. Unknown to him, his main girl friend, Cyntha Woo, is secretly his arch enimie, Madam Synn.

Gargoyle: Brick who tooked a chemical which alowed him to change (same cemical as Gremlin). Fought with Flair when she first appeared, and was put into a coma which he has yet to come out of (was reduced to a very high negative Stun).

Golith: Was called Giant in the Champions Comic Book. Man who found a mystical belt made by the Gods of Olimpous, and granted the ability to change sizes. Was, in reality, the second Golith (first one fought in World War 2).

Marksman: Martial Artest/Gagetear. Also has some sort of mutant factor which reduces his aging. The man with the Sonic Pistols. Nuff Said.

Rose: Beleved to be the reincarnation of her grandmother (was born the same day she died), Rose is a mentlist with a mystial bent. When she uses her powers, thay smell of roses (hence, her hero name). In love with Marksman. Had Icestar's child (in the Champions Comic Book).

Originally posted by Susano

Speaking of the Digital Hero article, I was debating sending Steve a proposal for a 60k word e-book idea. basically expanding the look at different genres and elements thereof, more information on archetypes and stereotypes, a look at how anime handles things like magic and mental (i.e. esper) powers, and more sample characters.

 

Of course, this would have to wait until current projects are compelted.

This is a great ideal, Susano. Of course, it would be an e-book (And I hate e-books. I don't even have a copy of your Anime Hero artical because I don't have the cash to buy a Digital Hero subscription, AND go over to Kinkos and spend on computer time and printing costs, seeing that I am just a humble utility clerk...).

And, yes, I would put the ideal on the backburner till some more stuff gets released.

Which reminds me...do you know that there is going to be a d20 version of BESM? Scairy thought.

Humm...some theam villian ideals.

Boss Kong: A mobster who's brain was removed and implanted into a body of a gorilla (as it was said before, science and magic were not as clear cut as it is today).

Mister Macob: A hodded figure which rules the underworld, and is obsesed with death. Tends to have his hideouts in cemitarys and funeral parlors. Uses death-traps based on cremation and burring alive. Sometimes uses weapions based on the 'death' theam.

Father Time: A ordinary crook who discovered a magical hourglass which alowes him to do limited time control things. Dones an robe and old man makeup, and robs banks as Father Time ("The Many Crimes Of Father Crime!").

Lucifer Morningstar: A red haired 'sientist' with an evil bent (so evil that he had his title profesor stiped from him). Most of the time, he seeks revenge for his lost title.

Profesor DePower: A short, bald scientist who is obsesed with superpowers. Likes to 'steal' them using vareous inventions of his.