L. Marcus Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings nooo not teh hare! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings "I get my kicks above the waistline' date=' Sunshine." [/quote'] Because everybody aims for your face? Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings Because everybody aims for your face? Bad Zilla! NO! But that was funny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings My subjective belief that I can fly isn't impressing the ground any either. Yes it is making an impression -- but just in the shape of your body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeccared50 Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings Holiday Pay~ Yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZilla Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings Wait' date=' the moon isn't made out of cheese, but made out of stuffing?[/quote'] Just the dark side is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern When the train actually hits Person A' date=' he will go squish, whether he perceives the difference between his own subjective personal / social reality and objective reality or not.[/quote'] Yes but people's reactions to this event will be very different as they may not share the same view of the evidence. I heard about this one guy got crucified to death and they're pretty sure he was up walking around a few days later... PS - more to the point, actually, as you know, someone may deny that you're right, even if they also saw the event. How do you know they're wrong for sure? What you know for sure is that video evidence and other witnesses all swear you're right and the other person insane. The only logical course of action is to go with the "obvious" reality. But does that matter to the person denying it? Does it matter to the person who walks into the train thinking he'll live? Effectively, it does not, so reality's immutability is not really effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern PS - more to the point, actually, as you know, someone may deny that you're right, even if they also saw the event. How do you know they're wrong for sure? Reality is what it is, whether I'm sure or not. What you know for sure is that video evidence and other witnesses all swear you're right and the other person insane. The only logical course of action is to go with the "obvious" reality. But does that matter to the person denying it? Does it matter to the person who walks into the train thinking he'll live? Effectively, it does not, so reality's immutability is not really effective. If this were a Zen story, this would be the point where I'd hit you over the head with a bamboo rod. Not that I ever actually would, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern If this were a Zen story, this would be the point where I'd hit you over the head with a bamboo rod. Not that I ever actually would, of course. Do it at a convention, that'll surprise him. And you better hit hard; so he can't ignore your subjective perception of the objective reality of you hitting him with his subjective reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern Reality is what it is' date=' whether I'm sure or not. [/quote'] Probably (I think this is where some quantum physics theorists can say things to the contrary that neither you nor I understand well enough to comment on), but the unknowable is not something we can effectively deal with. All this said, nothing I've said is stating that we shouldn't use what we commonly perceive as reality as a measuring stick. But to Hegel's original point, we've found where theories have been found to be correct because we mis-appreciated "the facts" and so there is a place here in general where "what are the facts" can be a reasonable pragmatic exploration. In other words, practically speaking, disbelief isn't always a wrong thing or approach. If this were a Zen story, this would be the point where I'd hit you over the head with a bamboo rod. Not that I ever actually would, of course. Oh, you're no fun anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zornwil Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern Do it at a convention' date=' that'll surprise him. And you better hit hard; so he can't ignore your subjective perception of the objective reality of you hitting him with his subjective reality.[/quote'] LOL. But maybe we're all just figments of your imagination... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern But to Hegel's original point...in other words, practically speaking, disbelief isn't always a wrong thing or approach. This reminded me of something from Popper. From that bastion of truth: "Karl Popper (1902-1994) is generally credited with providing a context for major improvements in scientific method in the mid-to-late 20th century. In 1934 Popper published The Logic of Scientific Discovery which repudiated the classical observationalist-inductivist account of scientific method and advanced empirical falsifiability as the criterion for distinguishing scientific theory from non-science. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern LOL. But maybe we're all just figments of your imagination... But of course. We are just one amalgamated subjective dimensional reality that is perceived individually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: to whom it may concern But to Hegel's original point, Hegel, on the other hand, should definitely have been hit over the head with a bamboo rod. In other words, practically speaking, disbelief isn't always a wrong thing or approach. Of course it isn't; on the other hand, it won't make much difference to an oncoming train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings . . . Anyone want a bamboo rod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings Bazza has volunteered. MMEEENNN!!! *thwacks bazza over head* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings *ouch* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings That's how it goes -- never forget your protective equipment when in dojo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings you should be -safe- within the dojo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings Hence the need for protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings *a-ya* Bazza hits L. Marcus and he goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddHat Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings *a-ya* Bazza hits L. Marcus and he goes down. And this, too, is the way of the Tao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings *a-ya* Bazza hits L. Marcus and he goes down.. . . Not on you, I don't. Aargh, teh imges! My poor frail male ego! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Re: Musings on Random Musings For the record. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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