Nevenall Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 So, 5ER has been my occasional bedtime reading since it came out. Last night I got to the Minimum Damage from Injuries section and discovered that a character who has 0, or negative, Body but still has stun is NOT unconscious, he can still act normally, he's just bleeding to death. I've never played this way. I started GMing with 4th edition and it has never once occured to me that a character would not be unconscious at 0 Body because in every other game I can think of, 0 means the end of you. Not that this is bad, the chances of having a lot of stun left by the time you reach 0 Body is slim, but I'm just totally amazed that I missed this and I wonder what other things I might be missing because they are not explicitly mentioned. Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Raven Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! The 5th Edition (revised or otherwise) tends to spell out quite a few things (and a few of them seem to be spelled weird, like adding damage). I think the case of being conscious while at 0 or negative BODY was included in the 4th edition rules, but I'd have to check to make sure. I know it was possible, but just don't remember if it specifically stated it. It does make sense though. Just as it's possible that you can be bashed upon the head and knocked out, but not suffer any significent damage, you can be shot through the liver and lie bleeding to death and be awake for the whole thing. Happens in the movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! 4th Edition did have the rule that you could be at zero or negative Body and still be conscious and acting. That rule and I became very good friends over the years, because GMs loved rolling high-BODY killing attacks with 1 Stun Multipliers against me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! I recall this rule from 4th Edition as well. I also recall my samurai, Jiro, being able to keep fighting (and kill 1 or 2 more foes) because of this rule. Very chambara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevenall Posted January 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! Crazy. I haven't found it in my 4th Ed book...yet. I agree it's a very dramatic rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Waters Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! My recollection is that it has always been this way even before 4th ed.: Body and Stun do different things. You may like to play it that if you have negative Body and are still conscious you need to make an Ego roll to do anything but try and hold your guts in, and you may want to double the rate of Body loss if a character engages in combat while fatally wounded, but I'd be inclined to leave it where it is. I kind of like the idea of someone saving the day with their last breath, then dropping down dead. Far more heroic than lying there unconscious and dying unnoticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keneton Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! Going to negative body never knocked you out in any (even first edition) champions. You need to make an ego roll to act at minuses depending on how negative your body score was. The first real definition of negative charcteristics came with Champions III 4th edition had bleeding and impairing and disabling wounds as well, which neccesitates the ability to act while in negative body from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlin1 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! I started GMing with 4th edition and it has never once occured to me that a character would not be unconscious at 0 Body because in every other game I can think of' date=' 0 means the end of you.[/quote'] Man, I know there was some obscure game where you could be at zero "hit points" and still be alive, but bleeding out... God, what was that game called? Oh yeah-- D&D. And Rolemaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupus Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! Hey, glad to see the official system works this way. I like it. Particularly with the 'berserker' effect - damage reduction vs stun only, together with a BODY aid. 'Yeah, he's dead, he just doesn't know it. Any minute now the Aid'll wear off and he'll just collapse.' I like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keneton Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Re: And Suddenly It's a White Candle Stick! Well you do DIE at negative your total in body no matter what. For example if you have 15 body, at -15 you are dead! You begin dying much sooner, and can take impairing or disabling wounds while still having plenty of body, but you totally stop regradless of stun at your negative body. This often happens with giants in fantasy hero since most have low resistant defenses and often get hit in the vitals do to the low chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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