schir1964 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Came across a rules thread that reminded of an odd official rules application. Sure Fire Ways To Take Down A Character With Desolidfication 1) Large Mental Attacks 2) Large Killing Attacks with Affects Desolidified 3) Large Attacks with Variable SFX 4) Large Flash/Darkness Attack 5) 14d6 Dispel vs Desolidification with Set Effect (100% Guarantee, 42 Points) All of them can be effective, but I forgot about that last one. All adjustment powers can affect Desolidfication without requiring the Affects Desolidified advantage. Just Something Curious - Christopher Mullins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prestidigitator Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification True, but a lot of Desolidification builds seem to have some kind of Advantage. Reduced End Cost seems to be a common/attractive one. So the APs that have to be affected may very often be pretty high. Your last example should probably be shored up to at least 60 APs of Standard Effect to provide some reasonable stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schir1964 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification True' date=' but a lot of Desolidification builds seem to have some kind of Advantage. [i']Reduced End Cost[/i] seems to be a common/attractive one. So the APs that have to be affected may very often be pretty high. Your last example should probably be shored up to at least 60 APs of Standard Effect to provide some reasonable stability. But the thng of it is, it only costs 2 Active Points more to dispel Desolidfication, so you can keep that as Set Effect and just start adding full 1d6 dice on top to make up for the additional points without going over caps. Or even make it all dice rolls and you going to bring it down most of the time regardless. (8^D) And if you cap Desolidification, since you said you usually call it a Defense Power, then it's going to get capped and the Dispel is then purchased to that cap and your dice roll range exceeds the cap. Just one of those oddities... - Christopher Mullins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification 6) Research him to find out what his natural vulnerability is, then hit him with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification Sure Fire Ways To Take Down A Character With Desolidfication 2) Large Killing Attacks with Affects Desolidified Might I recommend a Large NORMAL attack with Affects Desolidified? A heavily-armored ghost isn't something you encounter very often, and most folks are averse to splattering etheric guts over the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification Suppress is fairly cheap, especially if you buy it with something like 2 or 3 continuing charges. Once their desolid is supressed everybody hit'em with everything you got! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Raven Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification All of them can be effective, but I forgot about that last one. All adjustment powers can affect Desolidfication without requiring the Affects Desolidified advantage. Only partially true. Only Adjustment Powers bought specifically to affect Desolidification can affect a desolid character without an Advantage. I'm not sure about the application of an Adjustment Power versus any Power of a SFX, and the SFX just happens to match that of the Desol. And what's with all the Large stuff? You wouldn't need anything bigger than you'd need against a solid character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification And what's with all the Large stuff? You wouldn't need anything bigger than you'd need against a solid character. Size matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schir1964 Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification Only partially true. Only Adjustment Powers bought specifically to affect Desolidification can affect a desolid character without an Advantage. I'm not sure about the application of an Adjustment Power versus any Power of a SFX, and the SFX just happens to match that of the Desol. And what's with all the Large stuff? You wouldn't need anything bigger than you'd need against a solid character. Actually, what I stated is completely true, since all I listed was the Dispel vs Desolidification. No default SFX was ever mentioned when discussing the Adustment Power. Desolidification already specifies that any power (including adjustment powers) matches it's weakness SFX will affect it, there wasn't any need to list it. So basically, you clarified what I was saying. I already knew that. Thanks anyway. - Christopher Mullins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Raven Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification Actually, what I stated is completely true, since all I listed was the Dispel vs Desolidification. No default SFX was ever mentioned when discussing the Adustment Power. Desolidification already specifies that any power (including adjustment powers) matches it's weakness SFX will affect it, there wasn't any need to list it. So basically, you clarified what I was saying. I already knew that. Thanks anyway. - Christopher Mullins I wasn't talking about the specific example you stated. Only the general statement that Adjustment Powers always affect Desol even with Affects Desolid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schir1964 Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Ways To Take Out Desolidification I wasn't talking about the specific example you stated. Only the general statement that Adjustment Powers always affect Desol even with Affects Desolid. Ah, ok. - Christopher Mullins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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